Characteristics of the perfect defensive pistol

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    Glock 30SF with a Ghost Rocket Trigger cut to a 1911 reset. That's it for me. No lasers or lights. Maybe some night sights.
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    A good fighting gun huh?

    Hmmm first off I'd think a fighting gun would be something between a service sized gun, and a compact. Or either or. I'd make three submissions.

    1) A S&W model 13 3"bbl, round butt with grips to suit the owner.
    2) A Browning high power.
    3) A Browning high power compact. (If you can find one)
    Did I say three?... well... who's counting...
    4) A styer M9 or M40 as is.

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    Dan Wesson CCO with Crimson Trace Master Series Grips and I'm wearing it right now!!
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    Perfect SD pistol

    Small gun -- a Seecamp

    Medium gun - a SA/DA Sig 232

    Big gun ----- a Sig 226

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    My 220 Compact, except with a capacity of 10 rounds (mag capacity is only 6 in "real" life)
    some upgraded sights and thinner grip.

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    I fired an S&W 1911 thiss weekend and was impressed with the accuracy and really short, light trigger pull. It was a full 5" barrel and they ofer a 3" carry version, so based on my preferences I'd probably plan on purchasing the 3" version for everyday carry.
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    Glock 26 with night sights.
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    Glock 19 3rd generation.

    Right out of the box, no mods.

    (Okay, maybe night sights.)

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    I'd like a full sized M&P in .45, it has good ergonomics and capacity.

    But, I'd prefer a glock-esque trigger and reset, that is the main downfall of the stock M&P line

    Front night sight, white dot or plain rear sight.

    Depending on the role, a Streamlight under the barrel (yes for HD or OC, no for CC)

    And I'd actually put a Crimson trace backstrap on it as well.

    I think that would be a rather solid fighting pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post
    I'd like a full sized M&P in .45, it has good ergonomics and capacity.

    But, I'd prefer a glock-esque trigger and reset, that is the main downfall of the stock M&P line

    Front night sight, white dot or plain rear sight.

    Depending on the role, a Streamlight under the barrel (yes for HD or OC, no for CC)

    And I'd actually put a Crimson trace backstrap on it as well.

    I think that would be a rather solid fighting pistol.
    Pretty much this^^^^^^^

    Add :

    apex trigger kit
    Mini red dot sight
    iron sights tall enough to work with RDS
    guide rod laser or light/laser combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post
    I'd like a full sized M&P in .45, it has good ergonomics and capacity.

    But, I'd prefer a glock-esque trigger and reset, that is the main downfall of the stock M&P line

    Front night sight, white dot or plain rear sight.

    Depending on the role, a Streamlight under the barrel (yes for HD or OC, no for CC)

    And I'd actually put a Crimson trace backstrap on it as well.

    I think that would be a rather solid fighting pistol.
    I like how you think

    IMO, an M&P trigger with a DCAEK, and a Glock reset would be the bomb.

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    .38 Special and .357 Magnum K-Frame Smith & Wesson revolvers with barrels 2 to 4 inches in length.

    Colt Government Model .45 automatics

    Colt Detective Special .38 Special revolvers with 2 to 3 inch barrels

    Browning High-Power 9mms

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    Many things come into play when considering a carry gun. First- consider your aggressor. I prefer to be prepared for at least 3 aggressors in a fast-ambush scenario. I also consider it combat. My rules of combat are to have more and better firepower than the enemy and to be better trained. You also have to be first on the trigger. The following are things to consider but not necessarily in order of precedence or me....

    1- It has to be something you will actually carry. A smaller size gun is nice but I don't put as much emphasis on that as most. So is weight. Some larger guns are light and some smaller guns are relatively heavy. I personally prefer an empty weight under 30 ounces. Under 25 is better.

    2- Capacity- Personal preference is over 10 rounds capacity. 12 is better. I don't care how good you can shoot on the range- you are gonna miss when bullets are coming your way. If you run out of ammo before the other guy, well then you just became a statistic.

    3- Rounds with PROVEN performance. I am not talking about the opinion of some internet jockey here. Give me down to earth, one shot stop statistics. Those proven in REAL shootings. .357 mag/sig, .40 come to mind. A one shot stop that stops the aggression is what I am looking for. You don't have to terminate the aggressor to win the battle- just get him to stop shooting at you.

    4- Ambidextrous function. Yes- you read that right. Right now the 1911 guys are shouting blasphemy. So are most all other brand-loyal folks. It is unfortunate that more good defensive firearms aren't ambidextrous. There are statistics out there showing you stand a chance of being shot in your gun hand. I am pretty sure some jockey will chime in on this but I believe one of the Miami shootout victims was shot in his gun hand. May he rest in peace.

    5- Reliability. Bottom line is if your gun jams when it is time to pull the trigger, well, congratulations on becoming a statistic. Personal opinion varies on what constitutes reliability so I won't go there. Spending time on the range with what you are gonna carry goes a long way towards determining reliability.

    6- NO grip safety. Yes- I do consider them reliable so that isn't the issue. What are you gonna do when your hand is wet (ie- bloody) and you have a less than ideal grip on your gun and it is time to be first on the trigger. For that matter what are you gonna do if you have a less than ideal on your gun when it is time to be first on the trigger? Your grip safety may not be depressed all the way. Remote scenario for sure but it is something in your control you can do to win your battle. If you don't get to the trigger first... well you know...

    7- Crimson trace grip. Not some laser you have to turn on with a switch but something that comes on when you grab the grip. Your aggressor is not gonna stand still while you turn on a laser. Also, in a combat scenario I can't say you will have a chance to get that range perfect, double hand hold grip with a slow steady trigger pull at a still target. It is gonna be a pull it , point, and pull the trigger. In a flash. Unplanned. Unexpected. Rapid. Violent. First guy to put rounds on target wins. A laser will help you there. If you don't think it will then it sure as hell won't hurt.

    8- NO safety. Your safety is your holster and your booger picker. The less mechanical motions required to pull the trigger the faster you put rounds on target. Remember- the first one to put rounds on target wins. Pull it. Point it. Pull the trigger. No thought process involved. Pure muscle memory. The less steps involved the better.

    That ought to be enough to stir the pot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    A Glock 17 ( with grip chop to take G19 mags )or a G19 and the rest of the Bowie Tactical signature package.

    Sent via Tapatalk, and still using real words.
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