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    Colt Python, Colt Diamondback, Colt Detective Special, Colt New Service, S&W model 19 & Luger PO8.

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    Just a heads up the 45 caliber requirement was not due to the moro's in the Phillipines. This is a common falsehood. More like an urban myth now a days. The Moro's did not stop very well regardless what we used to include the 30-40 Krag caliber used at the time. The actual reason 45 was required was for the Cavalry cause most handguns were issued to Cavalry, officers and NCO's. The Saber being retired with the infantry and somewhat with the Cavalry but the 45 was required to put the horses down if they were no longer usable or suffering.

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    There are three discontinued handguns that i have lusted after but have yet to obtain.The first two are S&W revolvers L-frames .The five shot stainless 696 and the five shot titainium cylinder 296.I always like the idea of a concealable big bore snubbie.The third is an auto the colt double eagle my neighbor has one and i have shot it a bit.I like the concept of a 1911 style pistol with a decocker ,pretty cool.
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    I almost forgot about that double eagle. Cool gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
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    There was one of those for sale on a local board a couple years ago when I was searching for a P7M13; I passed it over in my search...and I think it was a mistake.

    I've never shot the .45 P9, but I've shot a 9mm and liked it...
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    G'evening MPA249 mi amigo, A San Miguel out in the Patio? That is the most interesting theory on why the military wanted a more modern pistol to replace the venerable Colt & S&W pistols that I have ever seen posted. I would suggest reading the War dept data on the need, tests, and final results for a new pistol, which wasn't really exclusive to the Cavalry. Sides the military wasn't all that humane, the old Krag Jorganson 30 40 did the job nicely.

    Regarding stopping the Juramentado bound Moros, the most effective weapon was the old 1897 Winchester with OO.

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    Dan Wesson 738P Stainless, "Lil'Dan" as it was dubbed. A J-Frame competitor that I believe was just a little bit bigger alla - SP101. They are 38 Special rated +P. I just love all things Dan Wesson! (except the price tags) I plucked this pic from a gunbroker auction a while back. I have never seen one in person as there weren't many made and rarely come available for sale. When they do come up, people $PAY$ for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    There was one of those for sale on a local board a couple years ago when I was searching for a P7M13; I passed it over in my search...and I think it was a mistake.

    I've never shot the .45 P9, but I've shot a 9mm and liked it...
    My best friend had one many years ago, they are a real pleasure to shoot, but I think they were just a little ahead of their time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPA249 View Post
    Just a heads up the 45 caliber requirement was not due to the moro's in the Phillipines. This is a common falsehood. More like an urban myth now a days. The Moro's did not stop very well regardless what we used to include the 30-40 Krag caliber used at the time. The actual reason 45 was required was for the Cavalry cause most handguns were issued to Cavalry, officers and NCO's. The Saber being retired with the infantry and somewhat with the Cavalry but the 45 was required to put the horses down if they were no longer usable or suffering.


    However I am pretty sure that the 45acp did help stop or slow down the drugged crazed Filipinos better than the 38 that was used at the time. God Bless

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    ayopo I agree with your post however if you look at the pistols up to then they were issued largely to cavalry. The 36 cap and ball was not as effective as the 44 in stopping opposing cavalry or the horse they rode. The cavalry sought a better stopper at that point. The 45lc was adopted years later. The reports I have read stated the 38 only worked if you hit the heart or brain which was true then as today a central nervous system is the best way to stop someone. More than likely as hard as the moros fought it would not have been a shot through the heart. They would have kept fighting. It was more than likely a CNS shot. The report further states that anywhere else it shot through. One report of a hold out an Imam if memory serves was shot 30-40 times with Krag rifles the report stated and was finally killed by a head shot. And yes it was a colt peacemaker. The 1911 though never was issued until the second world war due to the lack of concern over the PI. Since the us military had the phillipino constables working with them. The war department originally issued the us officers 38's once again and this was after all the major fighting was over. The war in the PI can be picked apart. Reports can be twisted either way over the event. Accuracy of reports can be agued. The war department held out over the changing of caliber until 1909 when it finally replaced the smith 38 with 45acp. Two years later the 1911. But my original statement that the 45 bullet in any form originated for the cav first for other riders and the horses the moros were just a way to change calibers. As always there are issues with going to something new. I am in no was defending 38S&W (not to be confused with 38spl) but I had for years as a weapons instructor tell me they hated the 5.56mm bullet. I would ask why had they had first hand expierience with its performance in combat. Always a no reply with something about they heard somewhere from someone. I had lots of friends in combat. They as well as I understand its not what you hit with that is anywhere near as important as where you hit them. I saw that in most of thr AAR's I read about the PI Insurection as well as the two world wars,korea, vietnam,as well as today. Pistols are a secondary tool. Anyways amigo I appeciate the sarcasm from your posts. If I am wrong pm me with the references I am always eager to learn. But please don't post on here for the purpose of showing us all how smart you are correcting me and anyone else that posts on here. We are here to have fun and talk about guns. Not write term papers for a college course. Thanks. Moderators I hope this post has not violated the forum rules. I am not giving an attitude or insulting anyone. I am just pointing out if one wants to sharp shoot a person posting on here right or wrong there is an appropriate way that benifits all.

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