Thanks for the great writeup on Smith revolvers......you just made my decision much more difficult. There are just too many options....I did like the looks of the Model 27. The Python is also very interesting and beautiful handgun, but I hear their actions are somewhat delicate.
Originally Posted by bmcgilvray
"The Python is also very interesting and beautiful handgun, but I hear their actions are somewhat delicate."
Hi again MLittle;
I'm going to go against the grain to say that the Python isn't nearly as delicate as it's current internet forum reputation frequently suggests. Sometimes folks hear and then repeat stuff without benefit of personal observation. I've not fired just a tremendous number of rounds through my 1978 example but it's not been especially babied either. It's stayed "bank vault tight" and in time though occasionally hammered with .357 Magnum handloads.
For all it's glitz and glamor the Python action is a part-for-part rendition of a Colt action design dating to 1907 when their Army Special was introduced. The Army Special was renamed the Official Police in the mid-1920s and soldiered on until 1970 when the action design was completely revamped into a coil spring affair that better lent itself to modern production methods (read that less hand-fitting and cheaper to build). The Python, originally introduced in 1955, continued on with the classic, but more expensive to produce, V-Spring action design until it too was sadly discontinued in the mid-1990s.
Given proper care, kept cleaned and lubricated, the Python should be expected to give excellent long-term service. Now the following is only a personal opinion based on observation that hasn't been gleaned from a credible source.
It seems that the the Colt double-action designs offer excellent durability and trouble-free service as long as the shooter does the clean/lube part faithfully. Let the Colt get gummy and grungy and continue to compel it to function and it seems to wear and go out of adjustment sooner than a Smith & Wesson revolver given the same treatment. Neglect is hard on any firearm though and is a shameful thing. Of course this shouldn't be a problem for the dedicated firearms devotee who takes care of his equipment. There are two Army Special revolvers(1913 and 1925), a Commando (1943), an Official Police (1953), and a Officer's Model Match (1957) around here that all share the same basic size and action design as the Python. Only the oldest one was trouble, caused by being "Bubba'd" by a nitwit. It was acquired as a basket case to become an exercise in rebuilding and has been trouble-free since. The others have all given perfect satisfaction over the years, never needing any adjustments or work.
Another fairly common enemy of Pythons is the ever-popular "action job" given so many of them by doofuses who just can't leave well enough alone. Some fellow gets a fine used Python with a perfectly delightful action that's "as slick as a gut" right out of the factory but has to "improve" on what Colt produced. So he takes, or sends off, the revolver to some reputed "action-whiz" gunsmith who may or may not (lots more "may nots" out there) know the ins and outs of Colt revolver mechanics. The gun comes back with an action that's superficially even smoother than it was but the timing's on the ragged edge, main spring's been altered and possibly weakened, and hammer and trigger sears have been stoned to be the equivalent to parts in a worn out ol' clunk. This arrangement doesn't last very many hundred rounds before parts relationships go haywire and then the revolver design is blamed when it was nitwits at work all along, both the nitwit owner and nitwit gunsmith. Leave things alone is the watchword for best long term satisfaction.
Trouble is, many Colt Pythons today are in the cold, clammy hands of collectors who shoot them seldom or never. The revolvers are never enjoyed for their designed purpose which is to shoot. That's a shame too because a Python at the range is a very fine thing to experience, again and again.
Some of us old gun geezers don't see the classic models as inferior or obsolescent in comparison with the "latest and greatest" popular firearms on the market. Such oldies can be quite modern, giving functional equivalency to anything currently produced. They were only discontinued in favor of designs that use less costly materials and production methods. This can be a good thing for it helps keep affordable firearms in the hands of the shooting public and our nation desperately needs a shooting populace. Down side is that fit and finish became a thing of the past. It can be gratifying though to keep a few of the older classic designs on hand for both shooting fun or as serious self-defense tools. I know I'll always admire older forged steel revolver designs, 1911s, and Hi-Powers most of all.
Bryan isn't just making me swoon with the gun porn, he's making me smarter, too.
Not a revolver but.....
.357, 9+1, and almost always gets attention. Yes it's the Desert Eagle!! I know you are looking at revolvers but the Desert Eagle is a blast to shoot. You can still have your .357 and it IS something different.
Sorry I just think everyone should shoot one of these at least once in their life.
I really want a 4" GP 100. I think that will be my next buy but I just brought home a G26 and an M&P 9c yesterday so I guess I'll have to wait a bit. Have an LCR in .357 and still miss my old .357 Vaquero. Revolvers are cool!
Thanks Bryan, now I am going to have to add the Model 27 & 28 to my GunBroker search list.
I have only one K-frame a 65-2 and I am amazed at how well it shoots (compared to my Ruger Speed Six)
For me the .357 magnum has become my favorite caliber and carry gun. I only have 3, the S&W 65-2, Ruger Speed Six and a Taurus 605 (that I usually carry .38 spl +P's in it).
The .357 and it's little brother the .38spl are a hand loaders delight, both can be fired out of a .357 revolver. On can use a .38 special on small game (I have shot rabbits with a LRN and it made a .36cal hole straight through the little bunny) and a Hog with a 180gr Swift A frame from Federal Vital-Shock with my Ruger.
I think that a 3 inch barrel would be optimum for concealed carry
I am looking to buy a S&W 60 .357 mag soon.:smile:
Originally Posted by MLittle
.357 magnum TDA
I just got a 357 mag from an old guissard. It is a Thermodinamic System made in Santa Monica California. Has anyone heard about them before. What is the economic or historic value?/?????