November 28th, 2012 10:40 AM
If you do choose a rimfire, test your ammo for reliability . A good match load should give you a better chance at positive primer ignition.
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November 28th, 2012 12:37 PM
A Smith and Wesson 52 would be great, but expensive and hard to find.
Also, a S&W 351, which is a .22 magnum snubnose is fine. Speer and Hornaday are making defensive loads for .22 magnum that perform just under .380 ACP or so in gel. If you have finger issues, then you will probably need to have a good trigger job done on it, as J-frame triggers are heavy, and a rimfire one more so.
Another option might be a S&W 640 or 60- stainless steel J-frames- loaded with 148-gr. .38 Special wadcutters, which are extremely light-recoiling.
December 4th, 2012 05:59 AM
That's a great resource. Thank you very much.
Originally Posted by Curzyk
December 4th, 2012 06:03 AM
Yes I've seen this - thought the recoil could be a problem in a small gun. But you seem not to think so. Good!
Originally Posted by franco45
December 4th, 2012 06:14 AM
Wow, seems like shooting a BB Gun! I had Buffalo bore 38 special hardened wadcutters for my Colt Detective - I love that gun but it really hurts even the somewhat bad hand when shooting. Too bad, an old friend...
Originally Posted by QKShooter
I wonder if those buffalo bore would fit the 52, they are brutal SD rounds with official penetration of 16" but some have posted gelatin tests of up to 23" penetration.
That's a great idea, the 52, I'll check around and special thanks for including video to see it's recoil.
December 4th, 2012 06:18 AM
Thanks for your story of your suffering and pluggin on. Guess we can try moving forward and hope for the best. Best of luck and thanks again to you. You are a good role model for me.
Originally Posted by nathanjns
December 4th, 2012 06:43 AM
You are all very nice to come up with so many practical ideas and even more, understanding of how threatening it is have the use of your hands in doubt.
There is a great article here, I think a MUST-READ that is all about checking the fit of a gun before you buy. Ones, like 2 of mine in high caliber, were a little too long and to compensate the axis of the gun (and recoil) moves from the very center of the "V" formed if you put your thumb and forefinger straight out. So instead of recoil going into center of your hand from that webbed area between thumb and forefinger: the recoil hits diretcly against the thumb joint, hammering the thumb bone into the joint again and again. If you have arthritis there to begin (which I did but never felt) then your shooting is doing all this to diseased bone. A real mess.
How to avoid this at the start: Trying On a Handgun | Cornered Cat
For anyone who might want to know, I post the result of my meeting with hand surgeon today.
And ALL: sincere thanks again
"Bad Hands' Outcome with Hand Surgeon For Any Interested.
Hand Surgeon I met with today had read the MRI and essentially said that joint is all messed up between thumb and wrist, the Basal Thumb Joint (on my dominant hand - rt hand). This I posted about already; very bad arthritis with injury from shooting triggering the blow-up I had, thumb-bone is out of place, joint now deformed. No surgery now, steroid injections and splint use - and if no relief in a year then they offer surgery on those affected. And he gave me a cortisone injection into the joint today. That can work like magic. And quick. Doesn't repair damage though.
Other hand, same joint is bone on bone, no cartilage left. But not deformed.
No shooting with dominant hand, the real bad one, but I asked him about my left hand and he said "Go for it!" I'll see using low caliber guns. I shot a 9mm with little recoil off-hand, about 20 rounds, and I did have pain after. But the new hand splints I wear on both hands regularly that I was given today look like perfect "gloves" for this condition, thick neoprene material and a strap that goes right between the thumb and forefinger where hilt of gun rests. This may help with the left hand shooting low-cal guns.
The Doctor had a great sense of humor and seems to really know what he's doing. And he has a great reputation in my area.
Thanks all for all your support about this suddenly appearing condition. When I asked about why I never felt arthritis the reply was some don't but the S&W 45acp I had just shot for the first time "was the trigger that chased the cat out of the bag, and once the cat is out it won't be going back in".
It seems a common condition among shooters, and is common to begin with for everyone.
So, heads up.
Thanks Again! "
December 4th, 2012 08:38 AM
Have you ever considered the .32 ACP?
There are quite a few guns chambered for it, the recoil is almost non-existent in a middle weighted firearm.
.22LR & Mag are pretty darn effective out of a rifle...not so much out of a short barreled hand gun, the velocity drop is dramatic. Not to mention rimfire will always be less reliable than a cente fire round.
I would find a .32 ACP firearm of your choice and carry FMJ rounds in it only. I consider this to be the absolute bare minimum I would consider carrying for self defense.
December 4th, 2012 08:44 AM
I totally agree with 10th. Go with a revolver. To many potential feeding and ignition problems with a rim fire cartridge in a semi auto.
Originally Posted by 10thmtn
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December 5th, 2012 03:34 AM
I bought one:
Well, defying all logic of finances I bought an FN Five-Seven tonight at local Gander Mt. I liked the idea of the gun both for range and maybe occasional CCW. I CCW now two guns, lower caliber but even in the good hand I can't shoot without pain. I know that hand pain would likely be in the rear of your consciousness if in a life/death crisis. Still, who knows, could also throw your one shot off before the BG has got you.I bought it tonight because I had Gander check with their distributor, who last week had about 10 Five-Sevens in stock - only place anyone could get one. They've dried up for 3 or 4 months. But Gander said none were left on distributors site, so this was the last. So, I bought the last one I knew I'd see for months. And they were being truthful. I had my range owner who sells some guns check the distributors' site after, and, there weren't any Five-Sevens
But, lord, $1200 and non-cheap ammo, I can get a box of 50 for $24-$26 at my range. It's doable - I also will drop a lot in ammo costs, aside from the .22 right now, I buy no 9mm, 38sp (for 2 Colt snubs I have) and forget 45. I have a Python but I shoot that rarely, though that has no great recoil with its weight, superb balance and the Pachy-grips it had on when I bought it. Who knows, sometime in future I'll try a few shots with my "good" hand. I'll keep the Python even if they take off my arms. So, I likely will save the $1200 in ammo in a year. And I'll sell my S&W 625JM (after Jerry Miculek, famed revolver shooter who designed the gun for S&W.)
And I'll sell The Sig P220 45acp Elite Stainless I got about 6 months ago, that's a shame, a great gun. Never a failure for even one shot since I bought it.
So, I'll shoot the FN in a few days and give you a report. I pray it as light-recoil as they say and as it looks in videos shooting. Otherwise, take a look at a discounted FN Five-SeveN on Member's Sales Forum here in two weeks. I trust it will be OK though.
So thanks for all your great suggestions and helpful spirit - I am deeply appreciative that men I don't even know would be so kind to someone having difficulties. Leaves a wonderful and positive feeling with me. Again, great thanks.
There ARE good people in the world.
December 5th, 2012 04:49 AM
Glad you found seething that will work. Give us a range report when you have the chance to get your new gun to the range.
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December 5th, 2012 05:59 PM
Glad to hear you may have a solution to your problem.
Not sure if component 5.7 bullets are available for handloading, but it they are, I'd consider starting a new hobby....handloading. Even if component bullets aren't available now, I'd save your brass in the hope that someday the bullets will be available.
I can get a box of 50 for $24-$26 at my range.
December 5th, 2012 06:09 PM
I wish you good health. I hope your solution works or come up with something else that works for you. Good luck Detective. Keep us posted.
December 6th, 2012 09:11 AM
Taurus .17 caliber revolver
Originally Posted by detective
Please see the attached photo of the Taurus .17 caliber revolver. It uses a necked down version of the .22 WMR and is a high velocity low recoil firearm designed for self defense. The ammo costs more, but I would think it's worth it in your situation. God bless you my friend.
December 6th, 2012 06:07 PM
Can't see where the .17 buys anything at all over a .22WMR. That Taurus is a BIG heavy piece. Neither the .22 Mag nor the .17 is going to have any felt recoil at all, to speak of, but with the .17, you'd be giving up 1/3 of the KE and about 40% of the frontal area. Am I missing something?
Originally Posted by twistyseaway
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