This is a discussion on NY forgot to exempt LEOs from the new law within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bark'n It's not a problem folks. All it takes is the stroke of a pen by the Governor and voila ... like ...
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If your firearm came with say a 30-round to 11-round mag or say a 15-round mag, under the new law, you can not just simply load 7-rounds into it and comply. You can only have a max of a 10-round mag to do that. So you have to now buy a 10-round mag for your firearm that came standard with a 15-round mag. But wait...under the new law you can no longer buy any mags over 7-rounds. And if there are no 7-round mags made to use in your firearm then you can only use it as an (A = a paper weight / (B = a door stop / or (C = as a fishing weight / OH wait one more choice (D = simply just throw it at your bad-guy attacker; at your discretion?
If that is the case then they are trying to take firearms away from Law Abiding Citizens. Because you can't get me to believe they didn't think about. And if it didn't come up, then that's even sadder then the law itself. That just goes to show how functional firearm's illiterate these politicians are.
Now I've heard and read so many different things about how this new law is being interpreted? Some say you can use any capacity mag as long as you only put no more then 7-rounds in it. Some say you can only use a 10-round mag but can only put no more then 7-rounds in it. And then some are saying you can only use a 7-round or less mag.
I have one more question on how this Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot law is suppose to work but I taint goin there
Well the can has been opened and the worms are slithering loose on this one
Just goes to show when the Government officials have blinders on and can only see and are only focused on what their personal agendas are. How that light at the end of their tunnel can become an oncoming train....quite quickly
So, will the LEOs have the ability to arrest themselves or will they need to arrest each other? I'm sure that will help the crime rate in NY. At least all of the bad guys will be adhering to the laws (heck, it's not like they're criminals or anything) so the net effect should be close to zero. At least that must be the theory according to Gov. Cuomo...
Or did they REALLY forget??????
Maybe Bloomberg has struck a deal with KelTec for new .380 sidearms for NYPD. Ooops, that has a detachable mag, must be an assault weapon. LOL
Seriously, I actually lament for the LEO's of NY. This has opened a huge can of worms for them.
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zamboni - For the sake of clarity, the NY law now is:
Pre-1994 mags with capacity greater than 10, which were formerly grandfathered as legal, are now illegal to own. NYers must sell them out of state within a year.
Mags with a capacity of 7-10 that NYers currently own are grandfathered legal, but can only be loaded with 7 rounds.
Future mag sales are limited to mags with a max of 7 rounds. Problem is, for many guns, no such mags exist - so when yours wear out...
There is already a move afoot with the NRA and the NY State Rifle and Pistol Association to challenge this nonsense in court. I feel they have a strong chance, given that the legal standard used by the Supreme Court has been weapons "in common use" by civilians. AR rifles and mags with capacities greater than 10 are very much "in common use." So, we shall see.
The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all. Get a gun you will always carry, and add more capability as you grow.
How many will be effected that only own a firearm that we rely on to protect our precious children with, that at present only can use mags over 10-rounds.
And if they do make a 10-round mag, even though we can own one we can not legally buy one. Worst yet, if there isn't any 7-round mags made for our firearm, all of our children will go unprotected
The average mag capacity is 15-rounds. Interjecting a law that restricts mag capacity below that, is poppycock! And reducing it to 7-rounds is either stupidity at its finest hour or; a direct objective to disarmament!
So, it is quite clear to see. How and now, that it is all starting to go according to their plan, and disarm all of us Law Abiding Citizens.
All the politicians keep saying is it is all for the betterment of, and all about our children's preservation of life. But now they are taking away any ability to protect our children, because of their new laws now?
I guess this NEW N.Y. LAW wasn't REALLY FOR THE BETTERMENT of, about anyone's preservation of life, or to protect our children, as they all keep claiming it was, or is!
All the talk about the police not being exempt is so much doo doo. In NYS the Criminal procedural law, and rules define who is and who is not a police officer, or a peace officer. Sect 265.00 of the Penal law defines what is a weapon, firearm, deadly weapon, dangerous instrument, and what is or not an assault weapon. Section 265.20 exempts police officers, and peace officers from section 265.
They are exempt by statute.
It is not the whether or not police would arrest other police officers that is at issue.
What is at issue is that either the state legislature will have to amend the law (thereby raising the issue of why LEOs need greater capacity than LAC... Or, by failing to enforce the law equally, the state is in violation of the constitution. Therefore it is either a PR Problem for the gun grabbers, or grounds for a federal court to overturn the law.
Either way, it will show the hypocrisy of those who passed this law
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