A look at some .357 Magnum loadings.

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    A look at some .357 Magnum loadings.



    The .357 Magnum out of a J frame or similar sized Snubbie can be done,
    but usually with a higher price for recoil or follow up shots than using
    standard 38 Special or 38+P ammo.

    While I really love my KLCR .357 for EDC when I opt for a revolver.

    I've come to find out that most full-house .357 loads are a bit too much for me-
    at least out of my KLCR.

    However.. some people have no problem with them.

    That said:

    There are a few DOUBLE TAP AMMO loads shown here that would be very suitable for
    a SP-101, Ruger Speed Six, GP100 or even K and L frames.
    ( Does anyone still carry a .357 N frame?)
    Or anyone looking for some awesome power out of a J frame
    sized gun that's willing to accept the recoil.

    (1.) .357 110 gr. TAC-XP:


    As a big fan on the solid copper Barnes X bullet JHPs in most of my
    carry guns for the past couple years now.

    Double Tap's 110 grain 38+P load was a real sweetheart in my old Ruger
    LCR 38+P. The solid copper bullets are conical looking and much lighter
    to carry than most of defensive loads.

    Citing low recoil and moderate muzzle flash, combined with delicous
    accuracy.


    There is also no need for BONDING the bullet or some other
    gimmick to give it excellent tactical penetration and also uniform
    expansion. The TAC-XP as loaded by a few ammo companies now
    (even Wilson)does both.

    At a sizzling (advertised) velocity of 1640fps / 4" Ruger GP-100 and still
    smoking along 1470fps / 1 7/8" S&W from a snub nose.
    It has the lightest recoil of any .357 Mag load I've ever fired, but still
    a handfull in the KCLR.


    This .357 load offers the very modern TAC-XP for your .357 Magnum,
    and I think would be ideal for the heavier SP-101s out there.

    (2) .357 125 gr. Bonded Defense:

    I like the Bonded Defense (SPEER Gold Dot bullet) line as well.



    I've yet to shoot any in 38+P for a while now, but really dig it in a variety of .357 SIG
    loads offered by DT. (With my new favorite being the sweet shooting 147 gr. Gold Dot that soon to be on the
    website).

    One could surmise.. that it's not much different than any other 38+P
    in the 125 gr. range, but with the very, very, street-proven Gold Dot
    bullet design that's been around for decades.

    Although, loaded to Magnum levels, the 125 gr. BD is a real boomer and has some raw power
    to it.


    With an Advertised velocity of 1,600 fps and a whopping 710 ft.lbs of energy!

    Seemingly Perfect- if you want to make that initial 125 gr. "King of the Streets"
    first impression, even though I'd like it out of a Speed Six/GP sized
    .357 even better.

    (Although, in all honesty, I did have some sticky cases with the 110s
    and 125s, but it could be more inclined to a semi- dirty gun on my part).


    (3) .357 NOSLER.
    In looking at the DT 158 grain NOLSER JHP.

    You can see that it's a tradtional hollow-point bullet with a lead core and copper jacket.

    Same design as the ammunition I carried as a young Deputy Sherrif in the late 80s.

    The big 158s worked very well on cars since it had great penetration, and somewhat well on most suspects.

    That was the only JHP or SP (soft point) ammo around back then, unless you went to the
    Super-Vel that most depts would never buy do to cost and little street/highway data.


    Also, there really wasn't any other loads to compare them with for stopping power, until
    the advent of the 125 grain .357 Magnum came upon the scene.

    Even then, a lot of cops still carried 6 inch revolvers that really took advantage of all that
    powder, so it was a lot different back in those days.


    This NOSLER load would probably be ideal for small deer/game as well.
    Expecting somewhat Deep penetration with moderate expansion once it got there, with recoil (probably) being identical
    to the Double Tap 158 grain Gold Dots from a few years ago.
    http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...0TAP/dt357.jpg


    With Advertised numbers like this:

    Velocity: 1400fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
    1245fps / 1 7/8" S&W
    1540fps / 6"bbl S&W 686 Muzzle Energy: 688 ft. lbs.

    I'd also expect it to be a bit stronger than the generic Remington 158 gr. JSP as well.
    http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...pedsixopen.jpg

    (3.).357 125 gr. Jacketed HP


    DT's 125 gr. semi jacketed hollow-point is as fast as the 125 gr. BD/GOLD DOT
    but is loaded with what looks like the Remington or even Winchester 125 gr. JHP.

    This is a exposed lead bullet that is infamous for fragmentation that sends off
    secondary particles into the human body.

    While most Cops carried the Federal version that looked much like the 158 Nosler in profile.
    Troopers were most often armed with the Remington version.

    This fragmenting design is what some people prefer in both .357 Magnum and .357 SIG
    as well.

    Both DOUBLE TAP and COR-BON offer a fragmenting load in the .357 SIG 125, with DT using the
    proven SIERRA JHP, and some say CB now using their own design.

    While the Remington is one very wicked looking 125 gr. 357 Magnum load indeed!
    http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps30e1e78f.jpg
    These bullets have a very old school look to them.


    Like those produced by Winchester,
    Federal and even CCI some years ago.



    The traditional 125 grain .357 Magnum loads
    were fire breathing dragons to shoot from a 4 inch barrel or shorter.

    Newer flash suppressing powders have tamed this to a large degree in todays'
    versions but the 125s are still very much authoritive.
    Likewise, according to the Double Tap website info and what's printed on the box.

    It's loaded indentically as Hot as the Bonded Defense (by 5 fps) , and a quite bit
    faster than the Noslers.



    So, if you are looking for enhanced velocity in your .357 Magnum or other guns,
    the loads above might be well suited to your liking!

    PS.

    I do know that there are mid-range or low recoil .357 Magnum loads on the market
    like the 990 fps Speer 135 gr. Gold Dot load that some guys adore in their Snubbies.

    I'd like to see Double Tap or others offer a 125-135 grain JHP @1,000 fps.
    It would be similar to the DT 125 gr. 38+P Bonded Defense, but in a Magnum
    case.


    Update:

    I should have a TALO Wiley Clapp limited edition GP-100 arriving
    here in Clarkston, next week!

    It will look like this beauty..



    and be strong enough to shoot most any .38 Special or .357
    Magnum load on the market. Those nice grips should tame
    most any recoil as well!

    For more information:
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    RUGER:


    RUGER WILEY CLAPP GP100 357 MAGNUM | 38 SPECIAL - RUKGP-33-NVK - TALO EXCLUSIVE - 1752 - UPC:736676017522 - Lipseys.com
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    Ruger sp101 3 inch or security six 4 inch on the get list. Either will be carrying 125 jhp. Got a lot of faith in em.

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    I think you presented a nice overview of DoubleTap ammunition. I prefer Buffalo Bore, but the, 'Different strokes for different folks'.
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    Thank you very much. I'm always looking into different ammos for my .357's. I have the sp101 3inch and a gp100 5inch. Sweet guns to shoot.

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    Thanks for the effort in providing the information along with the photos.

    Strangely enough, I scarcely ever choose a .357 Magnum revolver for concealed carry, preferring plain ol' .38 Special guns. For either cartridge I tend to choose heavier bullets over the lighter 110-125 grain weights.
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    Great post.

    I am very fond of the 357 magnum. I had an LCR 357 and hated shooting magnums out of it. I have J/K/L frame smiths that I do no mind at all. The bullets shown are not the remington 125's those had the scalloped jacket near the lead HP. The scoring on the jacket looks more like Winchester bullets.
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    Good post, I usually use buffalo bore but I will have to try some DT after this post.

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    Nice overview.

    I shoot Speer or Hornady Critical Defense.

    I will try some though see how it shoots from my LCR and Wiley Clapp GP100 , S&W 686-7 pro.

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    Hi, which has the better action the S&W or the Wiley Clapp?
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    Gold Dot design that's been around for decades? Gee, it has to be outdated by now and therefore no good. throw it away with the outdated Hydro-shoks.
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    Cool

    Thanks for taking the time to do the research OP.

    I carry Speer Gold Dots or Remington Golden Saber 125 grain factory load .357's in my snub nose and 3" revolvers.

    That said the two revolvers in question have Pachmayr grips and a larger frame then the LCR and j-frame smiths.

    photo.jpg Ruger SP-101

    Image 3.jpg S&W Model 65

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    It seems you like DoubleTapAmmo...

    Nothing wrong with the stuff - what I've got from them has shot fine. I didn't chrono it though, and some people have. There has been some "conflicting information" between the advertised velocity out of the specified gun vs. actual velocity out of the same gun. 25-75 fps I would call it no big deal. 100+ fps is false advertising to me and there's no way around it. I think that they have changed their labels since getting called out on this - I haven't bought from them since finding out about the velocity disparity issues.

    It is certainly nice to have small companies loading quality bullets to reasonable velocities - and competition is a good thing for this type of niche market as well.

    I agree with bmcgilvray about preferring heavier bullets to the lightweight "super fast" ones. I like fragmentation in conjunction with penetration in a 2300+ fps rifle round, but in a pistol bullet it's not worth the trade of to me.

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