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Pocket carry: Kahr CM9 vs Sig p938/P238

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    My only problem with the 938 is that they do not exist around here.

    So I got a 238 Scorpion. Not a bit sorry.


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    I pocket carry a P-238 especially in the summer in cargo shorts. Be sure to have a good pocket holster. I made mine out of .060 kydex to cover the trigger and hook into the pocket lip as I draw it. It isn't as fast a draw as my cross-draw holster but it is a hellofa lot better than running back to the pickup to get a gun. :-)
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    I pocket carry a Sig P938 with a 7 round mag in a DeSantis holster.

    The 7 round mag improves the whole feel of the grip in my opinion.

    Carrying in condition 1 has never been a problem for me...the gun won't discharge all by itself and shoot me.
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    Kahr CM9

    I recently switched over from a J-frame revolver to a CM9 and have not looked back. My other carry pistol is a Glock and the Kahr is a a miniature version, keeping my muscle memory consistent. Not having to think more than necessary when under stress is my preference. So far the Kahr has been 100% and a dream to carry. Installing a good rubber grip helps tremendously

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNELK View Post
    I recently switched over from a J-frame revolver to a CM9 and have not looked back. My other carry pistol is a Glock and the Kahr is a a miniature version, keeping my muscle memory consistent. Not having to think more than necessary when under stress is my preference. So far the Kahr has been 100% and a dream to carry. Installing a good rubber grip helps tremendously
    Which rubber grip did you go with? Talon?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolBreeze View Post
    I just went through all of this myself and ended up with a CM9. I wanted at least a 9mm, so I didn't consider the P238. I did consider the P938, but I was just too apprehensive about pocket carrying cocked & locked. I'm sure it's perfectly safe and I know a lot of people do it, but I just couldn't bring myself too. It is a nice pistol though.

    In my opinion, the CM9 has the perfect trigger for pocket carrying. It is a DAO trigger that is long, but not too heavy, and it is very smooth with no stacking. It is also one of the smallest, lightest 9mm single stacks on the market. It is still a pocket full though and I wouldn't want anything any bigger for pocket carry.

    In the end, most all of them are good pistols. Just pick the one you like the best. I wish I had them all and could rotate them daily.
    I think I have decided on the Kahr as its most like my Glocks in terms of trigger and no safety. I am more impressed with the 1911 style Sigs than I thought I would be. I think I may get a .380 later this spring and practice with it some to see if I can get comfortable enough to click off safety in a pressure situation.

    Thanks for your feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trex33 View Post
    I think I have decided on the Kahr as its most like my Glocks in terms of trigger and no safety. I am more impressed with the 1911 style Sigs than I thought I would be. I think I may get a .380 later this spring and practice with it some to see if I can get comfortable enough to click off safety in a pressure situation.

    Thanks for your feedback!
    You're welcome. Yeah 1911 style pistols are very attractive. I'd like to own a P938 & a Springfield EMP, and I may at some point, but it's just not in the cards right now. The Kimber Solo is another nice pistol that is pocketable and kind of has that 1911 look to it, although it's striker fired. It's a bit more spendy than the Kahr though.

    There are so many good choices, it's hard to settle on one. The good thing is that in today's market that if you end up with something you don't like, you can always sell it and get something else without taking too bad of a beating on it. Well, at least until they close that "loop hole". hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Personally, I would never pocket carry a single action pistol regardless of whether it had a thumb safety or not.
    Let me get this straight. You will carry a gun that if something gets caught in the trigger, it will go off but not carry a gun with an 8 lb. trigger that also has a manual safety so that two things need to happen before it goes off? Uninformed people hear Single Action and automatically assume a light trigger pull. In fact, the P938 and P238 require more force than a Glock does to fire and no one has any problems carrying a Glock that has no manual safety. Makes no sense to me as I know which is more safe and it isn't the gun with the lighter trigger pull and no manual safety.
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    I pocket carry about 90% of the time and owned both guns. I kept the Sig P938 and sold off the CM9. The CM9 was the easiest gun to conceal that I owned. It was a good shooter and I love Kahr's trigger. Long but nice and smooth and not too heavy. So why did I sell it you may ask? The slide. The slide is very hard to rack and I am an old guy with arthritis. Sig's have slides that are not as stiff. Easier for me to rack.

    I also like manual safeties and SA triggers. If you practice you will learn to thumb the safety off safe before you fire. If you forget, you will quickly be able to do so in a second and if a second counts, it may not matter anyway. Depending on your grip, your thumb should naturally sweep the safety. Just practice doing it at the range and it will become second nature. I competed for many years with both a 1911 and a DA gun. I always remembered which one had the safety. I forgot to more the safety off safe once in my life. I fixed that real quickly.

    I think that the Sig P938 is the best 9mm on the market but it does not get a lot of mention in forums. Heck, Sig does not even advertise it in the gun mags. As far as the P238 goes, the P938 is only a quarter of an inch larger. I used the same pocket and belt holsters for both guns. The P938 has pretty mild recoil. With the +1 extended grip, I can get my whole hand on it and the difference in height is one bullet more. The main problem is cost. Many people cannot justify the price and I can understand that.

    Do not let them talk you into the P380. Aside from the ammo being more expensive, the difference between a .380 and 9mm is not small. They are not in the same league. If you feel that you are not comfortable with carrying cocked and locked, do not get the Sig. I know too many guys who carry it without one in the chamber. It is not the amount of time it takes to rack one in when needed, with practice you can get that down to the same amount of time it would take you to take the safety off safe if you forget. :) The main reason you need to carry one in the chamber is that if you do not, you will always need two hands to use the gun. My experience is that I shoot one handed when I need to under life and death stress. You severely limit yourself if you do not carry it cocked and locked. You may have something in your left hand, be opening a car door, blocking a crow bar aimed at your head or wrestling with your attacker. Your arm could be broken trying to ward off a baseball bat, etc.. Just look at the George Zimmerman shooting. His arms were pinned down and he could only get his right arm free to shot his attacker. If he had to rack one in first, his head may have been crushed.

    If you can afford it and will practice using the safety, the Sig P938 is the way to go although the CM9 is no slouch either and one of the best bargains in pocket 9mm's I know of in a gun from a major manufacturer. Just one problem with pocket carrying it though. It tended to lean towards my inseam because all of the weight was in the grip loaded with ammo. Kahr also recommends that you lock the slide back and then release it to rack in a round. You can do it by hand but it has to be perfect. If you do not bring it all the way back and release it without riding it, even a little bit, you can do it but it is something to think about.

    Then there are the sights. The P938 have night sights. Put those on the CM9 and you are looking at about $90-$100 for good ones. I think you need them on at least a few guns that you will carry at night. You just cannot see your sights at night without them. There is no bad choice, just a preference so good luck. BTW, I put Hogue finger groove rubber grips on both my P938 and P238 and it feels nice and comfy when I shoot and easy on my skin if I carry IWB in Hot and Humid Florida. You cannot do much with the CM9 as far as accessories go.

    Basically it is a matter of whether you want a SA with manual safety or a DA. The CM is lighter so consider that. Check out the specs side by side. Night sights are a consideration plus you will have to buy a spare mag for the CM9 and they are not cheap. The biggest difference is price. The CM9 is much cheaper. If you are going to spend the money on the Sig, you can get the PM9 with night sights probably for less than the Sig P938. Please do not get the P380. So many buy it so that they can own a Sig and make it look pretty for their friends to see. If you want a good .380, check out the M&P Bodyguard .380. It is the old Bodyguard without the laser and with a much better look and feel. it has good sights on it and is very reliable. it is thinner than the Sig P238 and comes with a manual safety that you do not need to use when you carry it. It is there so that they can sell it in all States. Some require all guns to have a manual safety so you will find them on many models these days. I kind of like it because I keep the safety on until the gun is in my holster. I put the safety back on when I remove my gun from my holster. Makes for safe handling and storage.

    Do not be lured in by the look of the Sigs. A lot of guys buy it because it looks cool and then refuse to carry them cocked and locked. If they knew about the safeties in those Sigs, they would not worry. For it to go off the trigger needs to be pulled and the safety move off safe. If the hammer falls somehow, there is a notch that will stop it before it strikes the firing pin. I took a class once where the instructor threw an old 1911 against a brick wall so that the hammer hit the wall. It did not move. I never saw a 1911 type gun fail mechanically. I cannot say the same thing for Glocks although admittedly, they were Glocks that owners decided to modify themselves. :)
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    If money is no issue--get the Sig. If you are looking for value and conceal ability get the Kahr. Both are excellent choices.

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    Old thread, but I have one word for ya, Shield 9. okay that was one word and a numeral.
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    I love my Glocks. I went with the Sig 938.

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    I like the CM9 over the P938 for pocket carry. I have a CW380 and a CM45 that I also pocket carry.

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    Stop looking to others to help you with your choice. They all work very well for many so picked the one that make the most sense to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardluk1 View Post
    Stop looking to others to help you with your choice. They all work very well for many so picked the one that make the most sense to you.
    You realize the OP picked the Kahr in January 2013 and that this is a zombie thread, right? Part of the reason posters on the forum look to others for help is that frequently we can offer insight through experience of ownership that someone who has not owned a CM9 or a P938 might not have. It is better to research in advance rather than just buy in the blind and regret it later.
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