9 vs. 40 vs 45
This is a discussion on 9 vs. 40 vs 45 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mexican_ninja
No. I don't have documents that cite that, just experience in my ER. However, you did brought up a ...
October 30th, 2006 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by mexican_ninja
IME, people can survive all sorts of stuff. (Without giving away too much as both were rather high profile); I've cared for a woman who shot in the face with a .357mag (entering at her jaw and exiting her opposite side eye socket) and a man shot (by LEOs) 6+ times in the COM with hp .40s. Both patients survived.
I have not been able to draw any conclusions about caliber from my experiences, except that many, many people can take a COM shot from .38/9mm/.40 (we don't see many .45) and live. In fact, given the choice, I'd rather be shot in the chest (not the heart) with a .40 then in the belly with a .380.
Personally, I think all the modern calibers (with high quality ammo) work pretty well at killing people, I just wouldn't count on any to drop a big guy that mad and on drugs. There's a lot of luck involved (hitting a tiny artery or the heart), but if you have good placment (never mind COM vs leg, more like COM vs miss) and keeping shooting until the threat stops I think you have the best chance.
October 30th, 2006 07:11 PM
It all comes down to what you can shoot well. And of course the other 2 words. Shot placement. They all will kill if you put the projectile in the right spot. Remember shot placement and practice practice and more practice.
Shoot straight and be safe.
October 30th, 2006 07:44 PM
Pick the caliber you can shoot the best. I think a lager mass bullet will do a better job. But if you can't hit the target accurately, then a smaller caliber is the way to go.
If you don't protect your self, who will?
October 30th, 2006 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs
Ditto on that.
October 30th, 2006 08:56 PM
find a gun that feels comfortable for your needs and one you can shoot well, in a caliber you are happy with...then practice, practice,practice, then carry that firearm everyday. The rest will work itself out.
OR buy an XD (or similar) in every caliber made, and shoot them all.
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October 30th, 2006 09:58 PM
9, 40, 45? (.357SIG beats'em all- and now get back/look out, someones gonna blow) and don't forget the 10mm. No one I know, including myself, would volunteer to be shot by any of them.
Please, Lets go to a 454 Cassul, 460 Magnum,and 500 Magnum debate, as this one has already been shot to death.
Where is that popcorn? Maybe some nachos and cheese...........
October 30th, 2006 10:11 PM
There Folks is probley the best answer of all
Originally Posted by pgrass101
Though i Am a 45Acp guy
i know i don't want to be shoot with anything even them little plastic 6mm BB's
October 30th, 2006 10:13 PM
No Debate the 500 with the 700 Grain bullets rules them all
Originally Posted by Devone6
it also cleans and processes and packages the deer/bear you shoot with it
October 30th, 2006 10:17 PM
they all are good. just learn to shoot the one you got and carry it. don't leave it at home or in the car.
October 30th, 2006 10:23 PM
Whole heartdly agree Bud on the 500, just trying go a different road, as this one is many times traveled.
It's nice when the bullet processes 'em for ya like the 500Mag.
October 30th, 2006 11:06 PM
Thanks for the link. A very interesting collection of real world experience to go along with the reams of "gelatin data".
Originally Posted by High Altitude
October 30th, 2006 11:29 PM
Anybody here know the forum record, in terms of page count, for a "caliber war"...
October 30th, 2006 11:43 PM
I have only one personal experience to share. Two BG X four rounds = two dead BGs. The rounds? Two .22 magnum fired from a High Standard derringer. Two .38 S&W LRN fired from S&W Model 10.
Like Bud says I don't want to be shot with any of them. But if you don't hit them in the right spot it does not matter what the caliber or the type of round is.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein
October 30th, 2006 11:45 PM
Everyone should go over to www.stoppingpower.net if you want to talk about bullet performance because Evan Marshall actually has some level of real information based on some facts.
Note: I like 9 and 40 on the heavier side!
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October 31st, 2006 12:07 AM
The way I look at it is this way: how much displaced vital matter can you inflict on an attacking BG in a short period of time? That is a function of several factors, and the bullet's diameter and weight is the least worry.
Originally Posted by AceRider
One, it matters how quickly I can bring the weapon to bear, irrespective of caliber of ammunition used. If it's a big dogpile of a weapon and cannot be brought on-target quickly, it's a detriment to the goal. Two, it matters how accurate I can be across multiple shots, not just plinking single shots at the range. Thus, I must be accurate on follow-on shots, under stress, able to handle the weapon, recoil, flame/smoke and noise over time, from a variety of positions, even changing positions. Three, it matters how much damage I can inflict in that brief span of time. To paraphrase, it ain't the meat, it's the motion. More bullets on-target more quickly can make up for a lot of bullet size.
The reality is that a well-balanced, small-ish, high-cap 9mm semi-auto works best for me in the shooting department. I simply haven't found a single .40 or .45 that has the combination of above traits that will yield the same result. I can do a heck of a lot of damage to a 10lb country ham or side of beef, with my 9mm. Can't imagine a living, breathing BG would fare much different. As a complete package, it also works best for me, in terms of also being concealable, affordable, with ammo that's easily found and replenished anywhere I go.
A lot of folks have debated, over the years, as to the best bullet, all other things held constant. That's fine, if all other things could be held constant. Awfully hard to do. Even the same gun with a replaceable top end won't feel identical and, thus, will generally affect performance when it counts. For straight-up stopping power comparisons, the noted web sites above are a good place to start.
Best "stopping power" of a given bullet? To my way of thinking that's a question with a non-existent answer. The "right" question is: what will best stop the BG. And, IMO, that's not the bullet but the whole package.
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