DA/SA Length of Trigger Pull

DA/SA Length of Trigger Pull

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    DA/SA Length of Trigger Pull

    Ok guys I need some advice. Let me give you my situation. I am a little more comfortable with DA/SA guns that I can see the hammer on. I have a Glock 30 that I really like but the internal hammer makes me a little uncomfortable about having a round chambered and I want a round chambered. I've never seen a quality gun go off without pulling the trigger, though I have seen a cheap auto shotgun go off when the action closed and that has left me a little uncomfortable about hammers I can't see. My dad has a Smith and Wesson 5906 and Beretta 92FS. I prefer something a little bit smaller to carry but I'm not opposed to a big gun. The issue here is the length of pull on the first shot is so long sometimes trying to shoot quick I can't pull it enough without adjusting my hand and I certainly don't want this to happen if I need it for self-defense. I'm not knocking the guns at all they are great shooters but I have some big hands and I think that is the problem. Anybody got a suggestion?

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    The only thing that comes to my mind is a 1911, if you are comfortable with a SA. It will give you the hammer you want but in a SA pull.
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    Back when we transitioned to semi-autos as a cop we pretty much used the 5906 or the 92F. I was a little leery of the Glocks at first but grew to love them. Sig Sauer makes some fine autos but if it is the DA pull you are having problems with it might be hard to find a good fit. Glock representatives in our area did EXTENSIVE demonstrations with the Glock to prove it would not simple discharge if dropped etc. (This included not only running one over with a truck, but throwing a cocked and unloaded Glock from the upper deck of a college basketball arena. It never went off.....don't give up on Glocks, just work with them a little more. They are great.
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    As with any gun, proper length of pull (LOP) is desirable for greatest effectiveness, accuracy and comfort. After that, how long the trigger travel is can impact things, as well. As you've seen, it matters.

    Perhaps your chosen gun has options for trigger work that can alter the LOP, take-up and travel characteristics. Might include a trigger/action job, a different trigger assembly with different curves/springs. Uncertain about Glocks, myself, but you might check with a couple of the top Glock armorers around the country to see what they think.

    Or, it might require a different gun to significantly change. I've loved the H&K P2000SK, with the LEM (DAO) trigger. It's a bit long-ish on the pull, I suppose, but it works well and fits my LOP requirements. For example, I know on the P2000SK there are options for different trigger pull weights, and some gunsmiths are known for their H&K trigger work. The H&K USP's are also widely-revered for their utility, and many folks seem to love the trigger/LOP characteristics. In the CZ 75's, there are options for alternate trigger assemblies, which changes the curve and pull characteristics of the trigger without a full trigger/action job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Back when we transitioned to semi-autos as a cop we pretty much used the 5906 or the 92F. I was a little leery of the Glocks at first but grew to love them. Sig Sauer makes some fine autos but if it is the DA pull you are having problems with it might be hard to find a good fit. Glock representatives in our area did EXTENSIVE demonstrations with the Glock to prove it would not simple discharge if dropped etc. (This included not only running one over with a truck, but throwing a cocked and unloaded Glock from the upper deck of a college basketball arena. It never went off.....don't give up on Glocks, just work with them a little more. They are great.
    Yeah I have heard outstanding reputations about Glocks so I really would like to stick with them. Someone suggested to me carry it a while hammer cocked but no round chambered a little while and you'll see that it is not going anywhere. I was told if you don't have a round chambered there is no point to leave the tension on the striker spring and you might as well (verify unloaded, and verify again) pull the trigger to release the striker. So that is what I have done so far.

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    SIG introduced the E2 grip a few years back. The idea was to accomodate folks with smaller hands. It has been very successful. In fact, the limited run of E2 guns was so successful that the E2 grips are now standard.

    The SRT is another feature that helps. Some call it the Short Reach Trigger, but I believe it stands for Short Reset Trigger. It is indeed a very short reset. Very fast, and it helps those with smaller hands as they do not have to let the trigger go as far forward to reset.

    I admit I am a wee bit biased, but you might want to take a look at a SIG p229. Spendy, and worth every penny.

    Or get used to your Glock with one in the pipe. I have several Glocks as well. They will only fire when ordered to do so. It's all about familiarity. And don't read internet horror stories about Glocks taking the initiative and firing of their own accord. Ain't so. Always, always operator error.

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    I would probably opt for a hammer fired double action only (DAO) firearm such as a Sig 2-- DAK, HK P2000 / P30 in LEM format and some Berettas or CZs.

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    Nitpick: Glocks dont have a hammer, they have a striker...big difference. Aside from that, being fearful of a quality handgun because of something that happened with a POS shotgun is not conducive to anything good. Overcome the fear. To each their own, but glocks are great guns and superb performers, and you should embrace them, not be afraid of them. As for carrying without a round chambered... dont do it. You cant control a SHTF situation, and never know when or where it will strike. How will you daw load and present your weapon if someone gets the drop on you ? What happens if your non dominant hand is disabled...how will you chamber a round? If a round in the pipe is not comfortable for you, you are doing yourself no favors by carrying an unloaded weapon.
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    I had some concerns about the Glock as well. I bought a Sig sp2022. I get the benefit of the polymer platform as well as a da/sa fire control. It also has a decocker lever I am definitely comfortable carrying this gun with a round chambered. The first shot will be da and the remaining shots sa. I think makes the gun safer to carry decocker and first shot da.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gooseman1991 View Post
    Ok guys I need some advice. Let me give you my situation. I am a little more comfortable with DA/SA guns that I can see the hammer on. I have a Glock 30 that I really like but the internal hammer makes me a little uncomfortable about having a round chambered and I want a round chambered. I've never seen a quality gun go off without pulling the trigger, though I have seen a cheap auto shotgun go off when the action closed and that has left me a little uncomfortable about hammers I can't see. My dad has a Smith and Wesson 5906 and Beretta 92FS. I prefer something a little bit smaller to carry but I'm not opposed to a big gun. The issue here is the length of pull on the first shot is so long sometimes trying to shoot quick I can't pull it enough without adjusting my hand and I certainly don't want this to happen if I need it for self-defense. I'm not knocking the guns at all they are great shooters but I have some big hands and I think that is the problem. Anybody got a suggestion?

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    You have to get a handgun which fits you hand. I have carried an S&W .40 cal for well over 17 years both on and off duty and now retired. Initially, I put Hogue gdrips on it and that increased the thickness of the grip causing me to have to slide my hand around the side of the grip more to be able to reach the initial DA pull. I went back to the original plastic OEM grips and it was like a new handgun. Not all handguns will fit all hands....find one which fits you hand properly.

    I have a Taurus PT845 (don't want to hear any bad mouthing as it shoot very well and accurately in .45 caliber...I carry it in a half-cocked which gives me a bit less trigger pull and works out very well. I have a 1911, too, which I think most will agree is probably the bwest fitting handgun frame out there.

    Find a handgun(s) which fit and you'll shoot well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Back when we transitioned to semi-autos as a cop we pretty much used the 5906 or the 92F. I was a little leery of the Glocks at first but grew to love them. Sig Sauer makes some fine autos but if it is the DA pull you are having problems with it might be hard to find a good fit. Glock representatives in our area did EXTENSIVE demonstrations with the Glock to prove it would not simple discharge if dropped etc. (This included not only running one over with a truck, but throwing a cocked and unloaded Glock from the upper deck of a college basketball arena. It never went off.....don't give up on Glocks, just work with them a little more. They are great.
    Appreciate the advice guys. Yesterday I just bit the bullet and racked a round. Made me nervous for a few minutes but I finally decided if I wasn't going to rack a round I might as well sell it. Always looking for more guns still but it ain't gone off yet so I'm fairly comfortable.

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