The Perfect Ccw Caliber(just Kidding!!)

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    The .825 G&S Online Express Magnum, with an actual bullet diameter of .823", provides a realistic 0.323" increase in bore diameter to kill elk and other North American big game animals and keep them dead. This is the cartridge that separates the girley men from the he men.

    The new .825 is based on a rimmed, straight sided case. Here are the .825's vital measurements:

    Bullet diameter - .823"
    Case material- "High tension" steel
    Maximum case length - 2.2105" (nominal case length 2.210")
    Rim diameter - 0.925"
    Rim thickness - 0.095"
    Head diameter - 0.865"
    Neck diameter - 0.860"
    Overall cartridge length - 2.850"
    Barrel twist - 1 turn in 18"
    Primer type - Large Rifle Magnum
    Maximum average pressure - 82,500 psi
    All .825 cases are being made of what is known in the steel industry as high tension alloy (or mild) steel. Steel cases are required because the operating pressure of the new cartridge would melt brass cases.

    The new 750 grain bullets developed specifically for the .825 G&S Online Express Magnum have ballistic coefficients of 0.180 and sectional densities of 0.158. One of these new bullets is a lead core fully-jacketed hollow point (JHP) design. The Premium bullet is a monolithic gilding metal hollow point (MHP) designed for deep penetration and virtually 100% weight retention in any creature up to and including a T-Rex.

    There will be two initial .825 G&S Online Express Magnum loads. The "Standard" (or medium velocity) load will drive the 750 grain JHP bullet at a MV of 1280 fps for a ME of 2724 ft. lbs. It is hoped that this load will suffice for hunting the smaller species of deer. It can also serve as a mild practice load. This standard load can be recognized by its brass-plated case.

    The "Premium," full power load drives the 750 grain MHP bullet at a MV of 1610 fps and ME of 4300 ft. lbs. This is power on a par with elephant rifle cartridges and it is hoped that the Premium .825 G&S Online Express Magnum load will serve to keep elk shot with it dead for years to come. The .825 Premium load can be recognized by its nickel-plated case. The ballistics of both loads were measured in a 10" vented test barrel.

    Of course, a new, larger revolver is required in which to chamber the .825 G&S Online Magnum cartridge. It is far to large--and too powerful--for the puny Smith and Wesson "X" frame revolvers developed for the .460 and .500 S&W Magnum cartridges.




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    Damn thats huge!!! That JHP would make a decent sized hole...

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    that's a small artillery shell.

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    I wonder if we should even worry about bullet expansion?

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    I thought anything over .50 was restricted in some way?

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    damn...lol now if you can't hit anything with that bullet...

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    Well I won't even consider it until they come out with a snubbie. 10" barrel, can't hide that at all.
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    Workin' up the TKO numbers,that's 'bout 3X the power of a .45-70 load.

    With the pressures at 85,500 and rim diameter at .925" the case head thrust would be........well......unbelieveable,especially in a revo.-------Added: the SAAMI set max for a .454 Casull is 60,000psi so...? Also a 12 ga slug dia.is ~.750".
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    Looking closer, this has got to be a joke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSSZ View Post
    Workin' up the TKO numbers,that's 'bout 3X the power of a .45-70 load.

    With the pressures at 85,500 and rim diameter at .925" the case head thrust would be........well......unbelieveable,especially in a revo.-------
    So, basically you get one shot, a broken arm and the other guy gets a hole in him the size of a frisbie? That might work!
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    I want that in a derringer.

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    Sorry, if it doesn't start with the letters "AT" or have the letters "TOW," then it's not the perfect CCW caliber.


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    I'm waiting for American Derringer Corporation to chamber one of their derringers for that one!

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    Sounds like a good revolver caliber...... ....not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbiker View Post
    Well I won't even consider it until they come out with a snubbie. 10" barrel, can't hide that at all.
    I'd pay good money to see somebody shoot a snub revolver with that beast of a bullet
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