Good CCW/Range gun?
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Post By Brad426
June 4th, 2013 03:26 PM
Good CCW/Range gun?
Hey everyone! I'm new here, and I know this question has probably been asked multiple times, but with some of the new options out, I'd thought I'd "renew" the question...
Finally, after 30+ years of life, I'm going to get my CCW, long overdue. Right now, the only thing I have is a Bersa Thunder .380, and I want something with a little more power behind it. Right now, in my mind, I'm looking at the Springfield XDS or the XDM in some caliber to be decided with the input from all of you. What I'm looking for is something that is fairly easy to conceal (I'm not a huge guy, 5'7" 170lbs) and something that I can go out to the range and enjoy shooting.
A little more about myself, I've never had the chance to fire anything over a 9mm, but that's not disuading me from getting something or a larger caliber. I've spent the past 13 years in the military, and done my fair share of shooting, so I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that a .45 or .40 isn't going to be something that I wouldn't be able to handle.
I've shot the XDM in 9mm before, and absolutely love the gun, but I wanted to get some more input from you fine people about some of your thoughts and other possible reccomendations about what's out there. That being said, here are my concerns about the two guns I'm thinking of initially... The XDS seems incredibly easy to conceal, but it doesn't seem like it'd be the best time on the range just to go send some lead downrange. With the XDM, I'm a little concerned about what would conceal easily, being a shorts and tshirt kind of guy. That being said, what size XDM would also be something to consider.
Thanks in advance for any help you all can offer!
June 4th, 2013 03:41 PM
Including "range gun" is what will make that a more difficult question to answer.
I would recommend full-sized 1911 guns, Commander variants of the 1911 gun, Hi-Powers, and other medium-sized automatics having single-action triggers or the single-action/double-action models. For the revolver shooter, a medium-framed revolver of 4-inch barrel or less.
This leaves out DAO automatics and small-framed snubs but I don't want either as a gun to enjoy at the range.
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June 4th, 2013 03:54 PM
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June 4th, 2013 04:13 PM
The Glock 19 isn't one of the most popular guns in the world for no reason! Best "one, all-around, gun" out there! Easy to conceal, plenty of rounds for defense and fun at the range...
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June 4th, 2013 04:20 PM
If I HAD to choose a single gun to cover SD AND "fun at the range", it would probably be my full-size M&P 9. Glock 19 would be a contender, too.
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June 4th, 2013 04:25 PM
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I have had good success with the XD series of pistols, and like both the 9mm and the 45acp versions equally well. As an alternative you might also consider the Glock line, as they are as fine a pistol as one could ask for. In Glocks I would recommend the G17, G19, (both are 9mm) or G21 in 45acp (because you mention this caliber). They are also around the size of the XD's you mentioned, with the exception of the G21 which is a bit larger. If you spend time in summer wear I would lean toward the G19, which is easily concealed in a IWB holster. As 12 gauge stated above, it is a great "all around" pistol for concealed work.
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June 4th, 2013 04:29 PM
Thanks for the quick replies all! I used to have a G19, but sold it many years back. I did like it, and the LEO/Military pricing on them is pretty enticing as well...
As far as caliber, I mentioned .45 only because that's what the XDS is. I know they have the XDS in 9mm now as well, but good luck finding that one anywhere around!
June 4th, 2013 04:38 PM
We all are searching for the do all gun. Light and small to carry but heavy and large for range use. You have two choices. Either carry a larger gun so that you can use it for both or buy two guns like most end up doing even those who say they can only afford one gun. My last two new students swore that they could only afford one gun and within the year, both owned 3; a small carry gun, .22 range/cheap shooting gun and home defense gun.
If it must be one gun I would suggest the Glock 19, M&Pc or Springfiled XDM compact. They all can take larger magazines. The last two have larger magazines with grip extensions. Heck, I use my XDs for my desk gun by adding a 7 round magazine with a grip extension and attaching a rail light. When I carry it I use the flush mount 5 round magazine and remove the light. There are a lot of guns made these days that are small but have magazines with grip extensions on them so they can server double duty.
The place where I live is filled with people with LCPs and snub noses who complain that they cannot shoot them well and that they are no fun to shoot. So they end up carrying guns that they do not shoot well or much. That must inspire confidence. :)
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June 4th, 2013 04:49 PM
fired my first XDm .45 (full size) at the range today and loved it! i'm leaning toward the XDm Compact .45 for the flexibility. good extended grip for more accuracy at the range, very concealable, walloping knock down power. saving my pennies.
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June 4th, 2013 04:52 PM
I think the XDs would be a fine EDC, but I doubt you'd care for it as your "range gun" after about 100 rounds...
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June 4th, 2013 05:03 PM
Xdm, shield, glock compacts. Shoot them all and choose what you like.
June 4th, 2013 05:05 PM
Personally, if you want a 9mm, I'd recommend you go with the Glock 19.
If you want a .45, go with a Commander sized 1911.
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June 4th, 2013 05:14 PM
I second this. I even wear gloves while shooting my XDS on the range and my shooting hand will still "feel" it after sending 100 rounds down range in a single session.
Originally Posted by Brad426
A great EDC it is, a great range gun it is not!
June 4th, 2013 05:23 PM
I like the XD line of guns, they give you a lot of goodies for the price. You might also want to check out the Walther line of guns. There PPS edition is thinner and lighter than the XDs.I personally view both the PPS and XDs not as a range gun but more of CCW gun, they are focused on size, weight, and limiting the number of rounds.
If you want a hybrid you might look at the P99c from walther, it is a striker fire gun, has a de-cocker, rear cock indicator, two different magazines for the times you want a longer grip, a paddle magazine release for faster re-loads, ability to fire the gun with the magazine being discontented, lighter then the XD line, great balance and so on.
The best advise I can give is try as many guns as possible and choose the one you like and will carry all the time. Nothing worse than your gun being at home because its to hot to carry, to bulky for you attire, etc.. I can shoot tacks with H&K but not like to shoot or carry the gun.
As for 45, 40, 9 and others, it will need to be your call. People have been killed with 22s and others have lived with being shot by 45s. It goes to practice and little luck on the placement. I'm a decent shot but under stress I want a few extra rounds when possible.
One more thing to think about is accessories; I personally do not Glocks but I will say, every holster that I have drooled over seems to have a version for Glock. Same goes for lights or lasers. I would be hog heaven and maybe very broke if I liked shooting Glocks.
June 4th, 2013 05:37 PM
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