Glock and Sig LEO and Military Use

Glock and Sig LEO and Military Use

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    Glock and Sig LEO and Military Use

    I have a Glock 17 and 26 and I love them. They run flawlessly. Yesterday I bought a Sig MK-25 and it feels real nice in my hands. Haven't fired it yet, plan to this afternoon.

    I have noticed law enforcement is heavily into the Glock pistols and American military uses the Berettas or Sigs.

    What makes each entity go for the polymer vs metal framed weapon? Why wouldn't the military use Glocks?

    Just wondering.


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    Reportedly from articles I have read, there are some Glocks in circulation with the US Army. These however, are restricted to SOCOM units who keep them in their inventory for use on certain missions. Army Special Forces Units did, and I guess still do, utilize the HK SOCOM 45 as well. In regards to cops, the figure right now stands at around 65% of the US agencies authorizing or using Glocks. For police work, in my opinion, they are about the best thing going. They are the semi-auto version of the old service revolver and as dependable as a hammer to use.
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    Sorry! I didn't address the polymer question you presented. Polymer used in handgun frames is reportedly as strong, if not stronger, that steel. I will take the brainiacs word on that. I do know that it really decreases the weight of the sidearm which is great for all day carry in a duty belt. They are also more resistant to the elements than steels, which makes sense to use them in environments that find the operator exposed to rain, heat, debris, etc.
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    I have a Mk25 and a M11-A1. I love shooting them but due to their size I choose not to carry them. My carry guns are either a Glock 30, SA XDs, or 1 of my 1911's. I perfer a 45 when I am on the streets.
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    My unit in the military had Glock 19s as our standard sidearm. Some units, SOCOM and those subordinate to Intel agencies, have the ability to acquire their own weapons. Those required to get weapons through the regular defense supply system are stuck with the standard issue Beretta sidearm, which really is a good sidearm. I was issued some really beat up Berettas over the years, and I've never seen one with rust on it. If they're kept lubed they are extremely reliable. Their biggest limitation is extreme cold, and that may apply to all handguns for all I know.

    The standard military sidearm contract means a ton of money for the manufacturer, and everyone they hire to make it happen. It involves leaning on congressmen, manipulating trials, maybe even cash payoffs... So I am just happy they got us a decent working gun back in 1985. Could've been worse.
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    glock gave law enforcement a price break to get started in the leo market. it worked and glock has make money for it. the gov't went with the beretta 92f because of a deal with nato and others certain nations overseas. something to do with keeping certain bases overseas if we went with the 92f.
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    Ive worked with USAF Special Tactics teams, they all had Glock 19's.

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    What makes each entity go for the polymer vs metal framed weapon? Why wouldn't the military use Glocks?
    A Glock upside the head doesn't do near as much as a Sig upside the head, the Sig being heavier and all.
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    SOCOM units use a whole lot of different side arms. I have a friend who is with 3rd SF Group who is currently carrying an old Colt 1911 in Afghanistan. My last deployment to Iraq with an Air Cav Squadron, my Squadron CDR was issued a Glock 26 from the 160th SOAR that we were co located with. I've seen a bunch of different SOF elements carrying a whole lot of different things other than the M9. SOF units pretty much get what they want to fill the mission needs.

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    The military sets specs it want in its "issued" handguns (Milspec), and erring on the side of caution, it seems to prefer external safeties or DA/SA with decockers. Glock has neither.

    That doesn't mean that nearly every make doesn't infiltrate the military to some degree, primarily for "special needs" units, but the "for issue" requirements determine the big contracts.

    As for your MK-25, my son gave me one (He calls it a loan) and it is a sweet shooter. But for me it's a range gun as I have other for carry and HD duty. My preference for carry is a DA/SA and the Sig decocker works very well ergonomically. But should another hurricane decide to uproot the neighborhood again, the MK-25 will get its place on the front line.
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    There are several makes/models of handgun that could make the cut as far as satisfying the needs of LE and the military, Beretta, Sig, and Glock among them. Once the universe of pistols is reduced to those, final decisions are generally driven by cost considerations.

    Obviously, specialty units such as SWAT and SOCOM are potential exceptions and may have more autonomy in selecting what they want, with price less of an issue.

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    I forget the show, but one of the history channels or military channels had an in depth look at seal teams. They were using a Glock to showcase pistol skills.
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    A year or two ago, 60 Minutes had a story on Dalton Fury, the former Delta major who was present at Tora Bora. During the story, he mentioned them having a ".45 or a Glock with each of them". I'll go out on a limb and assume they had G21s due to their affinity for .45ACP.

    Not specifically "military", but I know a couple of guys from training classes I have taken who worked as contractors in Iraq and various other scenic vacation spots, all of them used/use Glock 19s as their personal sidearms both abroad and in private life.

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    I could have used either or other LOL....I used a 228 since it worked for me concelaed and OC and I shot it best. Glocks just never did much for me ergonomicaly.
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