Defensive Weapon Reliability

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    Defensive Weapon Reliability

    I took a defensive pistol course this weekend. Most everyone there, including the instructors, were using either Glocks or Springfield XD's. One guy had a FEG PA-63.

    During the demos and the drills, the Glocks and Springfields performed absolutely flawlessly, but the FEG seemed to always have a misfeed, failure-to-fire, or who knows what. The only "malfunction" I had with my XD was when I failed to fully seat the magazine during an emergency reload, but I think we can safely chalk that one up to operator error (at least I got to practice the "tap and rack").

    It really underscored to me the importance of selecting a high-quality, modern, and reliable weapon for defensive use.
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    Wild Bill Hickok was quoted as saying "When I pull the trigger I've got to be sure." It seems just as true today.

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    Your post is one reason that I carry a Smith & Wesson J-frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Your post is one reason that I carry a Smith & Wesson J-frame.
    I carried a S&W Model 60 for over 20 years but as I aged, eye sight, reflexes etc. became a problem I changed to a XD, 12 rounds vs 5 rounds, to overcome my shortcomings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    I carried a S&W Model 60 for over 20 years but as I aged, eye sight, reflexes etc. became a problem I changed to a XD, 12 rounds vs 5 rounds, to overcome my shortcomings.
    I understand. At some point in time, I may have to change also. Around the house, I have an AR for backup. Thirty rounds will give an intruder something to think about.
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    Murphy's Law works 100% of the time unless you expect it to work 100% of the time. I carry a 1911 and a spare magazine on my belt plus a Springfield XDS-45 and a spare magazine in my pockets for urban carry. The 1911 gets swapped for an FNH FNX-45 or a Glock G20 SF 10mm plus two spare magazines for remote rural carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdave View Post
    Wild Bill Hickok was quoted as saying "When I pull the trigger I've got to be sure." It seems just as true today.
    That's why they all carried Colts...
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    Reliability:
    I make sure to shoot a "sufficient"* amount of the exact ammo I will carry in a pistol, using the magazines that will be carried.
    Any change whether it be ammo or magazine will require another shooting session to prove reliability.

    *Sufficient depends.
    If the pistol has already proven 100% reliable with other HP ammunition then 50 consecutive trouble free rounds might be an acceptable minimum.
    In a new pistol it would be more like 100 - 150 rounds of carry ammo.
    Any malfunction starts the process over, unless I think it is the fault of a bad magazine / magazine spring.
    I'm more confident with 100 - 150 consecutive trouble free rounds of my carry ammo than 1,000 rounds of FMJ.
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    Reliability, simplicity, durability, and ease of training are some of the reasons that about 65% of the law enforcement agencies in the US carry Glocks.
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    Very rare to find a modern, normal sized, well made handgun that has issues. The M&P's, Glocks, Springers, CZ's, Sigs, etc all do what they are supposed to do when you pull the bang lever.

    Training hard is for when they don't which CAN happen to anyone at anytime.
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    The three most important criteria for a concealed carry handgun:

    1. Reliability. It must go bang every time you pull the trigger, and, just as important, only when you pull the trigger.
    2. It must be concealable enough that you will have it with you when you need it no matter where that is.
    3. You must be able to shoot it well enough to reliably hit an 8" paper plate from arms length to about 21'.


    If it has those properties, everything else is just optional extras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Very rare to find a modern, normal sized, well made handgun that has issues. The M&P's, Glocks, Springers, CZ's, Sigs, etc all do what they are supposed to do when you pull the bang lever.

    Training hard is for when they don't which CAN happen to anyone at anytime.
    Very well said...and I will add Beretta to that mix as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Very rare to find a modern, normal sized, well made handgun that has issues. The M&P's, Glocks, Springers, CZ's, Sigs, etc all do what they are supposed to do when you pull the bang lever.

    Training hard is for when they don't which CAN happen to anyone at anytime.
    I would like to add my Bersa to that list that always goes - bang - when you pull the trigger.
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    Gotta keep plugging Bersa. Can't believe they're making money selling that well built of a gun at that price.

    Now my story- I was nervous bringing my CZ compact to my CPL class. I knew it would be the only one on the firing line. There was a S&W J frame, a Glock, XD, and a few .22's (nobody bats an eye when a .22 misfires). So I wanted my oddball pistol to represent its heritage.

    Good news; 100% and outshot the Sig. Tight groups made nice bragging rights, but the reliability was my only thought going into the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    That's why they all carried Colts...
    Actually there were a lot that carried the S&W Schofield revolver chambered in .44 Russian. Post Civil War the Starr and the Dance revolvers were quite popular as well.
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