The price is right?

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    The price is right?

    In a recent thread I expressed my idea on what my thoughts were regarding what I would like as a conceal carry(mainly) and home defense combo. An acquaintance of the family with a large enough safe (that I very much envy) has let me handle some of his firearms and all else being perfect I should be able to shoot some during the weekend. It definitely beats having to drive +3 hours to a LGS with an actual inventory

    Anyways some of his offers I am considering are a Kahr CW9 ($350), CM9 ($375), Ruger SR9C ($395), Beretta PX4 Subcompact ($425), Sig P238 ($425), and a Glock 26 ($450). All these firearms, I am told have not been fired too much since he is more of a 1911 guy. They look almost new to be honest and I could not spot any serious wear in any of them.

    I guess being new to actually buying my first firearm, I overlooked something of big importance. I am not just buying a first firearm. I have to account for things such as CCW permit fee, the course cost, a good holster, a good belt (unless carrying in a pocket), and the ammunition. Coupled with the bills and college and non college related payments, my firearm budget doesn't allow for much more. I had firearms in mind that when I think about it are not too realistic "yet" (emphasis on yet). Perhaps in the future I can shop with more leisure.

    Again the gun would be primarily a CCW but of course be used as a nightstand gun should the need arise. I am familiar with firearms and have fired a firearm before. Weather has been dead hot nasty lately. I am trying to stay with 9mm, and although I would like a soft shooting gun I don't want to compromise on size nor compromise shootability.

    What are your thoughts? In a tough budget and trying to conceal anywhere in very light clothing and at those prices what would you suggest?


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    I'd snag the 26, no question. Glocks are tough to beat. Everybody (production and custom) makes holsters for it. Assuming the gun is in excellent condition, hasn't had a ton of rounds through it, 450 isn't so bad. You may be able to do a bit better. New Gen 3 26s were going for 500 even around here last summer. Not sure if Glock has scrapped the Gen 3s yet.

    Here's a secret: if you are carrying a gun about the size and weight of a 26 IWB, you don't really need a 90 dollar, doubled 1 1/2 belt. A standard, fairly well made belt will get you by for quite awhile. Don Hume's PCCH is a decent holster, and about 40 bucks. The clip on IWB by the same maker is OK, too. Everybody has to start somewhere.

    9mm is just fine, and I wouldn't be a bit afraid of having a 10+1 Glock 26 as a bedside gun. In fact, lately my carry (and bedside) gun is an M&P 9C. Doesn't have to be a 15+1 M&P 357 SIG or a 19+1 XDm.
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    I was factoring expensive belt/holster in to make sure the remaining budget for the gun would be enough regardless of whether I'd actually have more to spare or not but you might be right, there are plenty of holster choices that can work as easily a CB at a lower prize and beltman for belts at a lower price. I'm surprised on the comment about the G26 however, I agree that it is a wonderful gun and I'd be as best served with any as any, I just though that comparing MSRPs some were doing better. But the reliability is there.

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    This is just personal opinion, YMMV, take it for what it's worth etc.

    1. I don't like guns with external safeties that I pretty much have to use, and I seem to remember you saying in an earlier thread that you don't want an external safety, so I'd throw the SR9c and the 238 out.

    2. That Beretta is DA/SA and a little heavy. I carry a Bersa Thunder Pro UC9 that is somewhat similar and I like it, but you may not. Definitely shoot that one before you buy.

    3. Any of the three that are left are great guns that I would own. I have handled or shot all three, they all run well. Some people don't like the trigger on Kahr's, they complain that the pull is too long, but I find it very smooth. For your intended purposes you should pass, though, as neither Kahr has a rail for nightstand use.

    4. If it were me I'd get the Glock. It'll be very easy to conceal, even under a t-shirt, can double as a nightstand gun until you can afford a full-size, has no external safety, and you should be able to find a plethora of affordable holsters and accessories for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronos View Post
    In a recent thread I expressed my idea on what my thoughts were regarding what I would like as a conceal carry(mainly) and home defense combo. An acquaintance of the family with a large enough safe (that I very much envy) has let me handle some of his firearms and all else being perfect I should be able to shoot some during the weekend. It definitely beats having to drive +3 hours to a LGS with an actual inventory

    Anyways some of his offers I am considering are a Kahr CW9 ($350), CM9 ($375), Ruger SR9C ($395), Beretta PX4 Subcompact ($425), Sig P238 ($425), and a Glock 26 ($450). All these firearms, I am told have not been fired too much since he is more of a 1911 guy. They look almost new to be honest and I could not spot any serious wear in any of them.

    I guess being new to actually buying my first firearm, I overlooked something of big importance. I am not just buying a first firearm. I have to account for things such as CCW permit fee, the course cost, a good holster, a good belt (unless carrying in a pocket), and the ammunition. Coupled with the bills and college and non college related payments, my firearm budget doesn't allow for much more. I had firearms in mind that when I think about it are not too realistic "yet" (emphasis on yet). Perhaps in the future I can shop with more leisure.

    Again the gun would be primarily a CCW but of course be used as a nightstand gun should the need arise. I am familiar with firearms and have fired a firearm before. Weather has been dead hot nasty lately. I am trying to stay with 9mm, and although I would like a soft shooting gun I don't want to compromise on size nor compromise shootability.

    What are your thoughts? In a tough budget and trying to conceal anywhere in very light clothing and at those prices what would you suggest?
    Take this with a grain of salt, as I'm hardly the world's most experienced shooter. I don't think there's a bad choice in the bunch, if they're in good shape, and you should go with what you shoot best and what suits you. The prices seem reasonable. Of those, I personally would probably go with the Ruger. I don't really like Kahrs - just personal preference - and they have limited capacity. The P238 also has limited capacity, and the .380 is not an ideal defensive caliber. The Glock is tempting, but I think the Ruger is the better value, assuming it comes with the standard 10 and 17 round magazines - the Glock likely has two 10-rounders. The 17-round magazine of the Ruger, coupled with the included extension piece, will make it shoot as close to a full-size gun as any of these. I don't know a lot about the Beretta, but from what I know, that might be my third choice behind the Ruger at #1 and Glock at #2.

    On ammunition, it's important to run a good amount through a gun to make sure your chosen defensive load works properly. If your friend has a large stockpile of a good defensive round, see if he'll let you fire at least a couple of magazines worth through your chosen gun. If it works, there's that much more assurance and that much less you have to spend on test ammo, if you can stick with the same type. But it tends to be expensive, so he may not be crazy about the idea.

    Another nice perk of the slightly larger guns is that they include a rail for attachments. Eventually you may want to try a light or a laser. With the Ruger, Beretta and Glock, you could carry with a smaller magazine, and for home defense switch out for the larger magazine and snap a light on the rail. As good as a full-sized gun, except for the shorter barrel and therefore slightly less power. (A light of some kind, even if handheld instead of attached to the gun, is important for last-minute verification of who you're about to shoot.)

    A Remora is a good cheap holster.
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    Of course, the Glock 26 does have this going for it.

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    "Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of the way... The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    I'd snag the 26, no question. Glocks are tough to beat. Everybody (production and custom) makes holsters for it. Assuming the gun is in excellent condition, hasn't had a ton of rounds through it, 450 isn't so bad. You may be able to do a bit better. New Gen 3 26s were going for 500 even around here last summer. Not sure if Glock has scrapped the Gen 3s yet.

    Here's a secret: if you are carrying a gun about the size and weight of a 26 IWB, you don't really need a 90 dollar, doubled 1 1/2 belt. A standard, fairly well made belt will get you by for quite awhile. Don Hume's PCCH is a decent holster, and about 40 bucks. The clip on IWB by the same maker is OK, too. Everybody has to start somewhere.

    9mm is just fine, and I wouldn't be a bit afraid of having a 10+1 Glock 26 as a bedside gun. In fact, lately my carry (and bedside) gun is an M&P 9C. Doesn't have to be a 15+1 M&P 357 SIG or a 19+1 XDm.
    I agree on the belt. My EDC is a little bigger and heavier than a G26. I use this belt: Cabela's Last Chance Heavy-Duty Belt : Cabela's and this holster Inside the Waist Band (IWB) Concealment Holster with belt straps and would recommend both. The holster is 20% off if you are an NRA member, code 4nrad.

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    Agree with Multistage....Glock 26 is a very versatile pistol, and dead nuts reliable and accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    Of course, the Glock 26 does have this going for it.

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    I think I'd take the Johannson over the Glock.

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    Thank you for all the suggestions on the belt and holsters, it really helps. So far most seem to favor the Glock and the Ruger. Should I save more than I had initially expected, and thanks to you guys I likely will (somewhere between $80ish-$120ish) are the firearm choices still good or should I check some of the other guns he had. I mean would the extra cash land me something of better overall value. He happens to have a lot of guns and there were some very nice ones that just didn't fit my budget initially. A lot of the small and big metal Kahrs, an XD-S9

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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    I think I'd take the Johannson over the Glock.
    Can't disagree with that.

    Sadly, I suspect there are some in these forums who would actually prefer the Glock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    I think I'd take the Johannson over the Glock.
    During the movie I wondered why a firearm specialist was shooting two subcompact glocks but then I understood that not many (myself included) were looking at her choice in firearms ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronos View Post
    Thank you for all the suggestions on the belt and holsters, it really helps. So far most seem to favor the Glock and the Ruger. Should I save more than I had initially expected, and thanks to you guys I likely will (somewhere between $80ish-$120ish) are the firearm choices still good or should I check some of the other guns he had. I mean would the extra cash land me something of better overall value. He happens to have a lot of guns and there were some very nice ones that just didn't fit my budget initially. A lot of the small and big metal Kahrs, an XD-S9
    The Glock and the Ruger are both quality guns. They are both reasonably priced. They both fit your stated needs. Again, I wouldn't mess with the Ruger because of the safety, but there is an entirely different school of thought that says you should have a safety and that not having one exposes you to a greater possibility of an accidental discharge. If it were me I'd get the Glock (assuming you like it when you shoot it) and devote the extra $ to ammo, but ultimately it's your decision. My personal opinion is that you start experiencing diminishing returns pretty quickly north of $500 on carry pistols.

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    You know, I just don't have the time with the Kahrs to give you a valid opinion. They seem to be like the Cowboys or Broncos: guys either love 'em or hate 'em. Not much in between.

    We can give you recommendations, but that's it. We can no more tell you what gun is best for you anymore than we can say what truck is best for you. It's kind of a tough game thataway when you are coming out of the gate.

    The thing with guns is that they are liquid cash. Buy what you think is best. If it doesn't work out, sell it and use the proceeds towards something else.
    You may take a slight loss, but not a big deal.

    While I like, respect, and own Glocks, I am not a fanboy of them. I prefer SIGs and 1911s. But I shoot Glocks better, so I carry 'em a lot. My opinion is that you should shoot as many of your buddy's for sale guns as you can, then get the one you like best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    You know, I just don't have the time with the Kahrs to give you a valid opinion. They seem to be like the Cowboys or Broncos: guys either love 'em or hate 'em. Not much in between.

    We can give you recommendations, but that's it. We can no more tell you what gun is best for you anymore than we can say what truck is best for you. It's kind of a tough game thataway when you are coming out of the gate.

    The thing with guns is that they are liquid cash. Buy what you think is best. If it doesn't work out, sell it and use the proceeds towards something else.
    You may take a slight loss, but not a big deal.

    While I like, respect, and own Glocks, I am not a fanboy of them. I prefer SIGs and 1911s. But I shoot Glocks better, so I carry 'em a lot. My opinion is that you should shoot as many of your buddy's for sale guns as you can, then get the one you like best.
    I totally agree. Enjoy shooting them and go with what feels good. It is entirely possible that one will just "feel right". With that it is past my bed time, good luck.

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