Condition one?

Condition one?

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    Condition one?

    I am looking into a Kimber for CCW. I shot one for the first time, and i need to get one. I carry a glock 27, hk compact usp, full usp 45 based on dress. I don't mind the manual safty and long trigger pull on the first shot. Do I have to get use to carrying a 1911 cocked and locked? Do any of them have a decocker?


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    Welcom to the site.

    The only reason a person has to get used to it is because it seams counter-intuitive according to most gun safety classes to carry cocked and locked. The only ND I had was when I tried to decock it, my thumb slipped. After that I started listening to what those who have carried a 1911 for 50 years say about trusting the Safty that John Browning designed.
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    Thanks. Ya, I don't want to ride the hammer. Does it get in the way when cocked?

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    No, What I have found is you would want a holster that has a "slide protector" or a piece of leather that is next to you that keeps sweat of the side and keeps the holster from digging into your side. I have a Bianchi holster that I bought from midway, most guys will call me an idiot for not shelling out the extra money for a better holster but it works fine for me.
    "[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.
    They are left in full possession of them."

    Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." ~Alexander Hamilton

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    This is what I use

    "[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.
    They are left in full possession of them."

    Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." ~Alexander Hamilton

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    I'm a little confused. The 1911 has is SA pistol so there isn't any difference in trigger pull from first shot to subsequent ones - that's one of the reasons those of us who carry them like them so much.

    If Condition One is concern take a look at Para's LDA line of 1911s. I had the chance to shoot one at the range and, while distinctly different, they're nicely built with smooth trigger pulls.
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    no decocker on true 1911 and yes you need to carry it cocked and locked or not carry it its more dangerous to carry with the hammer sitting on the firing pin with a round in the chamber

    C&L is way it was designed to be carried

    and i dont get what yeah mean long trigger pull on first shot all should be the same as it is a single action gun

    unless kimber has come out with something most of us have heard about to make it a da/sa gun

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    No DA/ SA 1911's out there. C'N'L is the best way for safety. I carry my USP the same way to keep the operation as similar as possible no matter which gun I carry.
    TRy unloading and carrying your HK C'N'L around the house . A 1911 will be almost the same, only a thinner package.
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    Theres no need to lower the hammer on a live round. Just drop the mag and jack the slide to clear the loaded rd. While a old design and some times tempermental and fussy the old 1911 is still a viable carrygun,but there is better today. I use the 1911 for range only and for collecting non-shooting relic WW-2 contract 1911,s. Learn the 1911 drill and practice your draw and safety and allso learn to clear a jam which pops up its ugly head in the 1911 now and then.

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    I carry a Springfield Micro Compact Bi-tone in a locked and carry rig from Don Hume. The snap goes between the trigger and the weapon. Steve48

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    Here’s something to ponder. There are several striker-fired, polymer guns on the market that use a variation on Glock’s “safe action.” Have you ever wondered where the striker on these guns is when there’s a round in the chamber and the gun is in battery? Isn’t it kinda sorta cocked? Does the fact that it’s internal and not readily visible make it any less cocked? (Yes, I know the striker in the Golck isn’t quite all the way cocked, and the trigger action finishes cocking he striker the rest of the way before releasing it.)

    Here’s something else to ponder. Many of the polymer guns require only a single operation - depressing the trigger - in order to discharge (yes, I know some have a “safety” on the trigger face, but it’s still only a single operation to make it discharge). Some require two operations - releasing the safety and depressing the trigger - in order to discharge. A 1911 requires three operations - depressing the grip safety, releasing the manual safety, and depressing the trigger - in order to discharge.

    It’s always been interesting to me how a lot of folks tend to get all nervous and sweaty about carrying a 1911 in condition one but don’t even give a second thought to carrying a polymer gun in condition one. Is this just because you can’t readily see that the striker is either partially or fully cocked? The phrase, “out of sight, out of mind,” comes to mind.
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    Cocked & Locked...

    is the only way to carry a 1911...this has already been stated...and it is true.
    I have a Kimber Ultra that is usually my EDC...Great Gun! Once in a while I will take my Glock-36 as my CCW...I feel very comfortable with both...I have great holsters and my 'finger' is really the safety on either.

    If you want to have it both ways +...try a Beretta 9000S. It can be carried hammer down which makes it DA on the first shot...SA on the rest. Or...C & L which makes it SA for all shots. Lastly, it has a decocker. The grip is kind of like a G in that it takes some getting used to...but it is a great gun. It was my original EDC until I bought my Kimber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Green View Post
    Here’s something to ponder. There are several striker-fired, polymer guns on the market that use a variation on Glock’s “safe action.” Have you ever wondered where the striker on these guns is when there’s a round in the chamber and the gun is in battery? Isn’t it kinda sorta cocked? Does the fact that it’s internal and not readily visible make it any less cocked? (Yes, I know the striker in the Golck isn’t quite all the way cocked, and the trigger action finishes cocking he striker the rest of the way before releasing it.)

    Here’s something else to ponder. Many of the polymer guns require only a single operation - depressing the trigger - in order to discharge (yes, I know some have a “safety” on the trigger face, but it’s still only a single operation to make it discharge). Some require two operations - releasing the safety and depressing the trigger - in order to discharge. A 1911 requires three operations - depressing the grip safety, releasing the manual safety, and depressing the trigger - in order to discharge.

    It’s always been interesting to me how a lot of folks tend to get all nervous and sweaty about carrying a 1911 in condition one but don’t even give a second thought to carrying a polymer gun in condition one. Is this just because you can’t readily see that the striker is either partially or fully cocked? The phrase, “out of sight, out of mind,” comes to mind.

    I really thing your on to somethign there with the striker being hidden instead of in plain sight
    ive thought the same for a long time

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    “out of sight, out of mind,” That's part of it for me. I got a USP C with a new kydex holster IWB. The sweat guard was disengaging the manual safty anytime pressure was put on it. I guess I just need to get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkguy View Post
    “out of sight, out of mind,” That's part of it for me. I got a USP C with a new kydex holster IWB. The sweat guard was disengaging the manual safty anytime pressure was put on it. I guess I just need to get over it.
    That's not a good situation. No holster should disengage your pistols safety whether it's kydex or leather. There's a chance that your holster was moulded with the safety in the off position considering it's a variable system on the HK. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying in that holster until it was fixed, no matter who made it. Being kydex there's a possibility it could be heated and reformed at the safety lever position to make sure it positively engages the lever in the ON position but you need better qualified advice than I can give to do that.

    Strongly recommend you either contact the manufacturer for replacement/repair - or at least shoot a PM to Rocky here and ask for his advice, he's gotten to be quite the kydex guru so maybe he can help.
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