Walther CCP vs. R51

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    Walther CCP vs. R51

    Walther goes back to their beautiful lines heritage. I find it a great meld of their older lines with modern defensive pistols (PPX, PPQ). Operation and market niche parallel the Remington. Wouldn't it be nice to test fire both side by side?

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    I wonder how small that CCP is; if it's P22-sized that would put it on my want list for sure!

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    I'm going to have to totally disagree. Yes, it's like PPX and PPQ, but I would never know that ray gun was a Walther from any of its heritage. When I think of Walther I think of quality (both old and new), but to me that is an exceptionally ugly pistol whereas their classic pistols are works of art. Just my opinion.
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    The ray guns sell, period. I don't fault Walther for giving people what they want in the age of utilitarian pistols, but I'm not seeing heritage there, I'm seeing sales.
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    Is that a thumb safety I see?

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    It's pretty big. Manual safety? No thanks.
    If it were PM9 sized, I'd get one.
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    It's a the Remington R51; not Ruger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    It's a the Remington R51; not Ruger.
    I didn't catch that until you pointed it out. It looks big to me but maybe that's just how the pics were taken. Be interesting to see it beside a S&W Shield. Here is some more information.

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    Why does everyone keep putting thumb safeties on their guns!

    fer crying out loud, at least offer a version without one
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    I think I'll pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    It's a the Remington R51; not Ruger.
    Yes, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    I'm going to have to totally disagree. Yes, it's like PPX and PPQ, but I would never know that ray gun was a Walther from any of its heritage. When I think of Walther I think of quality (both old and new), but to me that is an exceptionally ugly pistol whereas their classic pistols are works of art. Just my opinion.
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    That "beaver bite" from the Remington R51 looks a bit nasty. Have had plenty of bone bruise in the web of the hand from the Kel-Tec P3AT on hotter .380 loads, and from the Kel-Tec PF9 on most any 9mm loads. Never once have I felt, by comparison, the Kahr PM9 or P380 pistols to have any such "bite" on the hand. I'm convinced it's due to the wider/smoother back strap area, without protrusions or edges to speak of. Spreads the load fairly well, at least on my hands.

    Strange, that the larger R51 would have such a problem. Of course, it'd depend on the size of the user's hand in comparison to the gun's shape, if nothing else.
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    Not a fan of safeties, so I'll stick with my excellent PPS.
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    Walther CCP review:

    Swing and a miss.

    They needed to make the PPQ exactly 5.0" high, the slide 1.0"-1.1" wide, install a short extractor in place of the long extractor that interferes with slide racking, have uncut front slide serrations (where the Walther logo breaks up the serrations) and it would have been perfect. Perfect. A true Glock killer.

    Instead the CCP has rails - RAILS!!! (fail!), they got rid of the Glock blade trigger safety, necessitating a stubby hard to find/depress manual safety (same as the S&W Shield failing), they got rid of the excellent slide release and installed a Glock/S&W slide stop (fail!), they got rid of the excellent PPQ round mag release (fail!), they installed a ridge over the mag release which will make it harder to depress and will undoubtedly grate one's thumb (fail!), they kept the same slide front serrations (fail!), the square frame area over the trigger guard area breaks up the rounded lines (fail!),

    Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail.

    That's seven strikes against it. (Say, versus 3 strikes against the R51 - field stripping, slide release spring problem, hand web bruising.)

    It's dead in the water, folks; stillborn, unfortunately. It never had a chance. Ugly as sin and useless for CCW. I'd rather buy a Glock 19 Gen 4.

    If the PPQ was supposed to be competition to the Glock 19 and the CCP is supposed to be competition to the G26 or S&W Shield - be assured that the G26 & Shield boys are laughing all the way to the bank. If I had Walther stock I'd sell it.

    I won't even bother picking it up to see what it feels like when I'm at a gun show. I can't be bothered. I won't even waste my time looking at it. It's in the same boat as a High Point pistol.

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    What I want in any gun carry or not :

    1. I can fire the gun at least enough to get good with it wihtouth massive pain
    2. I dont need to drink or fix up my hands after field stripping or cleaing it
    3. I can find hoslter and spare mags and maybe night sigths sem easily for it and for not a arm and leg
    4. If it has a saftey it needs to be easy to hit on and off and want go on easy ( the sig 938 is about the only gun I have found that comes close ..)


    So all that said I know the the r51 has failed for me till I can fire it and strip it ( pain to fire and hard to take down ) .. The other is a unknown I can overlook some things if the guns is easy to take down or if it is heavy enought trigger to carry no saftey on ( like the bodyguard ) I shall wait and see
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