Looking For .380 Advice/Experiences, Good and Bad
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April 19th, 2014 11:35 AM
Looking For .380 Advice/Experiences, Good and Bad
The time has come for me to pick up a .380 semi pocket gun. I know several qualities I am looking for, so let me put a few out there:
1) Decent trigger pull. Long and heavy is out;
2) Striker-fired, no external hammer;
3) Demonstrated history of reliability;
4) Good trigger reset
Thanks in advance for thoughts and experiences.
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April 19th, 2014 11:41 AM
I cant think of one that meets all 4 of your criteria. I think that the G 42 would come closest to the mark, but #3 on your list is unknown, though probably pretty good.
I have both Keltec P3ATs (bought before there was a ruger LCP), and a ruger LCP. All run well, and I put enough ammo thru them to be very sure of this. The trigger pull on both brands is ...not really decent. Not what you are looking for, I think.
I will be interested to see if others can come up with something that fits the bill for you.
April 19th, 2014 11:44 AM
The only .380 I have is a Walther PK380.
It has a hammer, so probably not what your looking for.
April 19th, 2014 11:54 AM
I own two a colt gov 380external hammer and a S&W body guard 380 the trigger is long hard and awful. I own it and wouldn't recommend it. having said that there are times a little back up is good to have and scared the long and hard trigger will get pulled without me remembering how hard it was.
Let us know what you buy and how it performs.
April 19th, 2014 12:05 PM
I carry a SP snub with .357 or a compact Kimber in .45 or a .642 lately I have stuck the G42 in my pocket for fast trips to the store. I have faith in my abilities to put rounds on target with it. Great trigger very accurate the easiest .380 to disassemble an clean. So far it has fed everything even my reloads great weapon.
April 19th, 2014 12:17 PM
I just got a Taurus TCP.... I thought I would never buy a Taurus after handling my dads 709... anyway. I don't think its striker fired and I don't know of any .380's that are but of all the .380's it has by far the best trigger. I think by definition a pocket pistol will have a longer heavier trigger just because its... well for your pocket.
Give the TCP a look... you may be impressed. I was.
Many seem to suggest the glock... fine gun but to me, its very Shield like and not really a true pocket pistol.
Keep us posted on what you buy.
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April 19th, 2014 12:23 PM
The G42 is thwe only striker fired .380 I can think of but I have no experience with it. Based on your criteria I would recommend the Rugfer LCP, and I will explain why.
Originally Posted by Mike1956
1. Trigger pull- The LCP is DOA. The trigger pull is long but is very smooth and right around 5 lbs on my gun. It is very easy to shoot accurately even with the long trigger. Galloway Precision makes a trigger kit that shortens pull length and improves reset. This is about as close to striker fired as you will be able to get and truly be a pocket pistol.
2. While not striker fired, the hammer does not extend beyong the rear of the slide when fires on the lcp, making firing from inside a pocket absolutely doable if necessary with no worries of snagging the hammer.
3. Read the numerous reviews of the LCP here on the forum regarding its reliability and they will speak for themselves. The forum here is why I went with an lcp. I have over 200 through mine, and I got it used, with zero issues. which seems to be par for the course with the LCP
4. The trigger reset on the LCP is long but solid and tactile. Again, the Galloway precision trigger addresses this as it is fully adjustable.
The LCP is a great pocket gun in every aspect. the G42 is larger in every aspect defeating the purpose of having a small gun but it could be worth lookng into. First gen LCP's can be found used for less than $300... the 2nd gen LCP which has better sights runs $350 ish new in my area.
Good luck and hope this helps !!!
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April 19th, 2014 12:42 PM
To rule out for you:
1. Keltec P3AT (long trigger pull)
2. LCP (long trigger pull - the trigger breaks at the very rear of the trigger guard)
3. Sig P238 (external hammer)
Options you may consider
1. Bodyguard .380 - I own one, but don't carry it, because their firing pins are known to break frequently. It has a nice trigger pull though, BUT, it is not striker-fired, it has an internal hammer.
2. Kahr P380 - I have never shot one or owned on, but this seems to be a good option
3. Glock 42 - I haven't even held one yet, so I can give no advice.
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April 19th, 2014 12:59 PM
I've never even seen a G42 in person, but I think your criteria is aimed squarely at it.
Personally, I'm quite content with the LCP and its looooonng trigger pull. I carry it on occasion because of its size, not ergonomics. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with .380 at all.
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April 19th, 2014 01:06 PM
April 19th, 2014 01:26 PM
I like the P3AT. It's the lightest one out there. It has the smallest width and the smallest footprint. There's nothing sticking out to hang up on. The trigger pull is fine for a small gun and the pull length is part of the safety function. I own two.
I also have a Sig P238. Nice gun shoots great and I like the trigger. But it's heavier, single action with a hammer and raised sights.
For pocket carry I think the P3AT wins hands down.
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April 19th, 2014 01:28 PM
Get a Walther PK380.
It is, IMHO, the greatest .380 automatic handgun that has ever been devised.
April 19th, 2014 02:25 PM
For the people saying walther pk 380, don't listen to them. The thing is way to big for a .380 and you said you wanted to fit it in your pocket. However, it is a very nice gun
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April 19th, 2014 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by OO7
yeah big honking gun ... If you got outside pocket I would get a bretta chetta as it holds 13 rounds nice gun but not pocket
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April 19th, 2014 02:29 PM
A lot of your criteria is subjective (what is a "long" trigger pull? what is "heavy?" what is a "good" reset?) and therefore impossible for anyone but yourself to figure out for you.
That said, if you want a striker fired .380 - you have the Glock 42, the Kahr P- or CW-380, and the Diamondback DB380. I think that's it. Of those, the only one I would even begin to consider is the Glock 42, and IMHO it is NOT a 100% pocket gun (meaning a pistol that can fit into ANY men's pants pocket).
I think you are short changing yourself if you do not at least test fire the Ruger LCP. It is a great little gun. The newer ones have a shorter trigger pull and better sights - but we have three of the older ones in the family, and I can easily blow out the bullseye of a target with any of them (using the excellent CT Laserguard sights, and the mandatory [IMHO] mag base finger extension for a firm grip). Took mine out of my left pocket a few days ago (more than a month without any cleaning) and ran at least 75 rounds through it with nary a hiccup. Right hand only, left hand only, two handed...just ran and ran.
As mentioned the hammer does not extend out of the gun. It is very "striker-like" in operation.
You have been very vocal about your ability to carry a full size gun in any attire and in any circumstance, so I for one would be curious to know what's made you consider a micro .380 in the first place?
Good luck in your quest.
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