Para Ord. Feed Problems
I have an older Para Ordnance P-10.45 that has been giving me problems for a while now. I'm just about to replace it, but I thought I would start a thread and see if someone has any suggestions other than what I've already tried.
This thing will not shoot regular 230gr. fmj's reliably. I get 3-point jams aka stem bind. Sometimes its 1 in 100 rds. and sometimes it's 1 in 20. It's really erratic.
The first thing I did was replace the recoil spring.
Then I polished the feed ramp and throat.
Then I replaced the magazine springs.
Then I replaced the extractor.
I was going to give up at this point, but I found this article on M1911.org about 3-point jams and "riding the link".
The 3-point jam link is about 1/3 down the page if your interested in reading it.
After reading a few times to understand what he is talking about, I checked my gun out and it appears that it does in fact ride on the link rather than the bottom lug. I followed the instructions for filing the top of the bottom link hole, and it certainly feeds fmj's better by hand at least. I'll go shoot a couple hundred rounds in a little bit and I'll let you guys know how it worked out.
Anyways, if anyone has any other suggestions I would certainly like to hear them!
BTW, it feeds Ranger T, and other premium hollow points very well.
I had a Para Ordnance .45 LDA CCO last year, I let it go after very similar problems.
My gun store where I bought it used were really good to me and let me trade it in for what I paid for it against a SIG.
It's a shame as the Para was a very accurate gun, but FTFs are not acceptable and do not inspire any confidence.
It sounds like you have done everything that I did to mine in order to try and beat the problem, I sent mine to Para twice too.
It just didn't work.
I let it go.
I would much prefer you replace the link rather than fileing it , fileing can create other problems of its own if done wrongly . a barrel replacement may be in order if it was fitted wrong to start with and the lugs are short from the factory. For the record the only para i eaver owned ( a p12 ) would feed anything including empty cases that were fired thro it .
A few years ago I bought a new LDA-45, and had the same problems that you're having. I wasn't willing to modify an $800 gun to make it reliable, so I sold it and bought a S&W 457S($459). In two and a half years, and about 3,000 rounds, I never had a malfunction of any kind.
Well, I got through 80 rounds today and then 2 FTF's. I'm done.
Did you check the breech face to see if its rough ?
Ill give ya 50$ for the Para :)
This Para LTC has been 100% reliable since new, over a year ago.
Ok, so just before I went to order a Colt, my tv goes out...2 DAYS out of warranty!:mad: That put the Colt option out the door.
So I take another look at the gun. With the barrel removed, if you slide a round up the ramp, and over into the chamber, there is a very narrow angle that the bullet binds. No matter how hard you push (along the axis of the slide travel), it will not budge. So I held it up to the light, and I could see that it is binding at the top, and 2 little spots on the rounded bottom edge. At this point I'm figuring I have nothing to lose, so I break out the 2000 grit sandpaper and start rounding the bottom 2 points off...just a little bit. I kept working it until the binding was decreased. In fact I had to push down on the cartridge to get it to bind.
I took it to the range a little bit ago. Fired a couple of rounds, and inspected them because I was worried about the case being unsupported in that area. Everything looked good, so I continued.
180 rounds later, it was still functioning flawlessy!!! I just about danced a little jig right there on the firing line!:danceban: :danceban:
TJ1231....were you in Meridian?
By the way, congrats.
Nope, I'm in Boise. Thanks! So obviously I'm not selling it now, sorry.
very nice how about a pic of where you did the work
I have a CCO, and it chokes on Remington UMC 230grn (wally world special) but will eat anything and everything else I've fed it.
Originally Posted by Alias
Is the problem with a particular brand of ammo or any 230grn?
Does it have the same problem with other ammo (185grn etc)??
Is it doing it with one particular mag or a bunch of mags???
Here are the best pics I could get.
So you basically throated the barrel