Are All Guns Pieces of Crap?

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    Are All Guns Pieces of Crap?

    Knew that would get your attention, and it wasnt meant to offend anybody!!!! But,
    Been doing alot of searching on here looking for the perfect 1911 gun.... Para, Kimber, Springfield, Colt, ect. No matter what gun you mention, some people swear by that gun and some people say it was the biggest piece of crap they ever had.

    So what IS the best gun maker, are they all the same? Are they ALL good and people dont know how to shoot or take care of them, so they are pieces of crap. What is the deal here? One of these gun manufacturers has to make a totally dependable firearm that has no shortcomings. Thats the one I want to buy
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    About the only one is Glock, or Sig. You have those who dont like them for whatever reason,(mainly cosmetic or they dont feel right to that person) but nobody can honestly say they are POS's.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Generally, you can't go wrong with a Glock or Sig. I'ld add S&W to that list if you're talking about revolvers, definitely not their autos.
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    ohh yeah sig is right up there with there joke of a 1911 so strike them off the list tupperware is ok

    its all personal preference everyone builds a lemon now and then

    Also dont forget not everyone knows how to maintain a gun

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    Yes, all guns are junk. So I think you all should send me your POS guns right away! lol

    Like any mechanical piece of equipment sometimes guns just come out wrong. It may not even be something that you can put your finger on or that can be corrected. It's just a lemon. All manufacturers kick one out from time to time.
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    Cost is a factor too. I was pretty drained when I bought my new 226 ST - lot of cash but - I do consider it is ''up there'' for quality and reliability - heck I'll stake my life on it if it ever comes to it (hopefully not).

    Bud makes a valid point too - maintaining a gun does have its own part to play. Otherwise, apart from cheapest of cheap - much will depend on what folks want and whether they find a gun reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White View Post
    ohh yeah sig is right up there with there joke of a 1911 so strike them off the list tupperware is ok

    its all personal preference everyone builds a lemon now and then

    Also dont forget not everyone knows how to maintain a gun
    Yeah, Sigs 1911 does leave a little bit to desire.

    I wanted to make the point too that some shooters can make any gun a piece of crap as well.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Hey i carry Kahrs , among the most cussed brands lol . Realisticly no matter te brand .. its easyer to go online and say my " microblaseter from xx brand " crapped on me . than it is to go online and say i need remedial gun handeling courses . Most if not all common pistols today will work if the operater does his/her part . as you shrink size then your form ( how you hold the pistol ) becomes more imporntant . Small pistols of any flavor are not forgiving of the frame being able to move ... this gives credince to the " weak wrist " mith. pick what works and go is my advice lol .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hivoltage View Post
    One of these gun manufacturers has to make a totally dependable firearm that has no shortcomings. Thats the one I want to buy
    Sorry, no such thing. There's no Santa Claus either.

    Like every other piece of complex machinery, guns can be defective. No matter what maker you're talking about, no matter how much it costs, the potential for mistakes in manufacture still exists. Even manufacturers with good reputations like Glock and SIG (I'd personally add HK to that list) are going to turn out a few lemons. However, companies with good designs (that make it difficult to screw things up) and good quality control probably not going to produce very many bad ones.

    The problem, particularly in this day and age, is figuring out which companies are producing the fewest lemons. Anyone who buys a gun and gets nothing but trouble from it is going to complain, probably quite vocally. Thanks to the internet, they can complain to the entire world. If you're dipping into different web discussion forums, it can be hard to tell whether there are small number of people with bad experiences or a whole lot. This can be particularly difficult on forums dedicated to a particular make or model of gun, where you see a lot of arguments between people with bad experiences bitching about the gun and people who've drunk the kool-aid and feel that everything from their favorite manufacturer comes direct from heaven heralded by a chorus of angels.

    Rather than rejecting manufacturers by googling them and looking for rants about how bad their guns are, take a look at some websites not dedicated to a particular brand (like this one) and look for consensus picks, manufacturers that a lot of people recommend.

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    HK too.
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    So my good friend buys a Kimber 1911. He cannot manage a 3 shot string from this gun without a failure of some sort. To him the Kimber 1911 is a total POS. Another good friend and I take that Kimber and the same ammo and cannot get a failure in two boxes. We give the gun to a totally new handgun shooter and let them try it out. No failures.

    So is the Kimber a POS as the owner of the Kimber ranted to anyone who would listen including on internet forums?

    All manufacturers will have their detractors and their supporters. There is no manufacturer that has absolutely no shortcomings and makes a 100% reliable firearm 100% of the time. So the good news is you get to save your money.
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    Great post! I stand by my stainless steel rock of a wheel gun S&W 686-L .357 mag.

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    I am probably gonna get a Para, Springfield, or a Kimber, 3 or 4 inch barrell, single stack 45 or 40. When I bought my Warthog I paid alot of money for it and all it did was jam. A good shooter friend had the same result. I was bummed. But I want to try another 1911.

    I hear lots of bad reports about the Kahr PM9 but I have not had 1 problem with mine.
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    Always remember to

    If i post a good review of my kimber even though im no fan of them theres 100 other people will pop up and say there crap

    Good review of colt guess what there them 100 people

    springfield ? same

    Smith wesson ? Same

    You almost never hear from the people who dont have any problems

    Who really wants to read

    i took it out it went boom everytime i was so bored by how well it shot ?

    naw ya wanna read about the problems so you can try to help or learn

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    Most guns are capable of shooting better than the people who shoot them.

    Some work well for some people and don't for others. Every once in a while manufacturer will put out a dud. Sometimes guns fit one person well and another poorly.

    Who is the best? Jeez, that's a heckuva question. There probably isn't a single best manufacturer of 1911's or any other gun.

    Any of the top name brands already mentioned are gonna give you a great chance of getting a good gun.
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