Looking for a tip-up.
This is a discussion on Looking for a tip-up. within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; My wife has extremely weak wrists and fingers. She doesn't like shooting revolvers, and has trouble racking the slide on semi-autos. I'm considering buying her ...
March 4th, 2007 12:07 AM
Looking for a tip-up.
My wife has extremely weak wrists and fingers. She doesn't like shooting revolvers, and has trouble racking the slide on semi-autos. I'm considering buying her a tip-up semi, and am interested in the Beretta line. Whether in .380 or .32 ACP, are there other models I should be looking at?
I appreciate that 9mm is considered the minimum defense caliber, but I'm really only interested in hearing about tip-up barrelled semis at this time. Any advice on these lines would be appreciated.
She's a lefty, too, so ambi-models are especially desirable. Tip-up, ambi, smaller caliber-- does anything out there compete with a Beretta for reliability and accuracy (and cost)?
March 4th, 2007 12:07 AM
March 4th, 2007 12:29 AM
How old is your wife, does she have any medical or physical problems to cause weak wrists/fingers?
Is she a smoker? Does she do any form of any kind of exerciese?
March 4th, 2007 01:14 AM
If memory serves, Beretta and Taurus have the tip-up's in .22, .25, and .32, but not .380.
The tip-up's are not really ambi either. The diminuative size really doesn't allow for an ambi safety.
Unfortunately, I can't think of anything out there that fits your requirements at the moment. I will keep thinking, and if I do come up with something, I will post it here for you.
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March 4th, 2007 01:20 AM
Beretta is the only choice in this formfactor imho , and then considering the ambi factor only from decocked and off safe with a double action pull first off . IMHO if she can manage the da pull on the beretta she can also master a tuned da on a revolver and in a bit more serious cal . Taurus has them in 9mm thro .357 and then there are the smiths and colts if your willing to bump up a notch on price from the taurus , or i could say spend on a revolver what you would on the beretta.
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March 4th, 2007 01:21 AM
I don't know of any autos above .380 that are tip up design like the Beretta, I don't believe it's possible. I have a Tomcat sitting here that has been completely reliable for the last 5-6 years. The problem I see is that if she has weak fingers, the DA pull might be a bit much for her. The SA pull is fairly short and light. Most women that have fired this pistol have liked it alot. It's not Thor's hammer but 8 rounds of .32 are nothing to laugh at either. My Mother-inlaw carried a Taurus PT22 for a few years, another tip up design. She shot it fairly well and the DAO design didn't bother her. It was surprisingly a reliable little gun. She now carries a Tomcat.
March 4th, 2007 01:31 AM
My Wife Has The Same Problem...
Some thoughts for consideration...
Originally Posted by Pramunitus
I also thought about the tip-up barrel on the Beretta...but remember...this is only for the first shot...
If there is a problem; she would still have to clear the weapon by pulling the slide...
My wife eventually settled for a S & W 637 with a Crimson Trace laser.
She can load it, clear it (yes, open the cyclinder), reload it, and shoot it with confidence.
The Beretta, on the other hand, only provided for an easy 'first load'...the first shell...the only problem is a bad shell or faulty reload and she is in trouble...
With the revolver, she can reload with confidence...and...handle light .38 loads...
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March 4th, 2007 05:45 AM
The biggest caliber in a pistol with tip-up barrel is .380 from what I've seen. Its the Beretta 86, can't remember if it single stacked or double stacked magazine.
Have you considered Kel-Tec. The ones that I have looked at have a pretty light slide compared to other pistols of the same size. Heck, I was able to pull the slide with two fingers and a thumb.
How is she pulling the slide? I have "sissy" hands and sometimes had trouble pulling the slide. The way I over came it was by using the non-dominant hand to just hold the slide and use the dominant hand, with help of the arm, to push the frame foward.
March 4th, 2007 07:14 AM
i would have to agree.....kel-tec is pretty easy to chamber a round and have a pretty good rep for reliability. easy to carry easy to hide and not a bad gun all in all. .380 better than a .32. i do have a beretta tomcat in .32 and it is a good gun but until it is VERY broken or the hammer is all cocked it is a bear to get it to cock because there is very little to grab onto.
March 4th, 2007 10:12 AM
I've got a 3032 Tomcat that I've had for a couple of years. I'm also left handed, so I can speak to that as well.
It's been reliable at the range and I originally tested it with carry ammo;Winchester Silvertip JHPs.
Tip up barrel makes it very easy to load.
Size is great for use a bug or summer gun.
Well made and simple to clean and maintain.
Issues to consider:
The mag catch button is located at the bottom of the grip, so mag changes are extremely difficult, at least for me, but I'm accustomed to using my trigger finger and practice primarily with a Sig (as a lefty).
Clearing malfunctions would be very difficult for anyone who had trouble racking the slide.
The Tomcat has a manual safety - something I shy away from on a SD handgun - but that's just my personal opinion.
So based on what you've said, I agree the tip up barrel is convenient, but overall I don't think this is a better alternative than any of the other choices suggested.
March 4th, 2007 11:21 AM
Excellent point about the slide and malfunctions.
Originally Posted by retsupt99
I think retsupt99 has an excellent suggestion about the revolver.
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March 4th, 2007 11:48 AM
Beretta...They have all of the bugs well worked out of getting compact & sub~compact semi-autos to feed and function with almost boring regularity. Super reliable firearms.
Yes, they really are.
And the Tip-Up barrel feature is neat and it works great. It's not a weak link.
March 4th, 2007 11:58 AM
Beretta model 86 "Cheetah" in .380
If you want a tip up barrel and a more serious self defense caliber, the Beretta model 86 Cheetah in .380 is probably the best bet. Here is a good article describing the gun:
Beretta .380 Cheetah article
The gun has an aluminum frame, weighs just over 23 ounces, and holds 8 rounds in a single stack magazine.
March 4th, 2007 12:34 PM
That would be my choice.
March 4th, 2007 01:23 PM
Perhaps a different method of cocking is needed. If you have not tried , a clamp over the top grip might work better than the pinch of thumb and finger method.
Also try getting her to make one quick movement, not a slow steady pressure.
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March 4th, 2007 02:16 PM
There's some great information here, and much appreciated. Thanks, especially, to the recommendations for semi-autos. As I stated in the original post, revolvers aren't a consideration. I already have an ample selection of Smith & Taurus wheelies (22lr, 22mag, & .357mag), none of which she cares for. She can't manipulate the slide on my Kahr K9 (no surprise, there). The 86 Cheetah, Tom Cat, and Kel Tec referrals will be checked out.
The very worst that will happen is I'll have more guns that I like to shoot, and will still have a really good excuse to buy more. ("I do it for you, honey!")
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