May 1st, 2007 01:24 AM
Kimber Ultra Covert II - Thoughts?
This gun didn't impress me when I saw it on Kimber's website, but when I saw it at one of the gun shops here in Houston it blew me away. It's actually a beautiful gun when viewed in person and the grip and weight balance is awesome. Perhaps most impressive was the factory installed laser sight integrated into the grip. SLICK!
Mind you, I'm entirely new to the 1911 scene but I'm a bitt smitten with this gun. Bear in mind that I would like to use it for concealed carry. The price tag is hefty $1,300 - $1,500 and it isn't exactly easy to carry in comparison to the mini 9x19s available out there (e.g. Kel-Tec & Kahr). I also would hesitate using it as a "car gun" out of fear of someone breaking into my car and stealing it (not an unlikely possibility in post Katrina H-town).
I'm asking for everyone's input as to the pros & cons of purchasing this gun. I'm impressed by everyone's knowledge on here and will take everyone's input into consideration before deciding on whether to purchase it. Reliability? Accuracy? Reasonable price? Quality? Any feedback is appreciated.
FYI - I'll be posting a similar thread asking everyone's input on the S&W 340 CT J Frame Centennial Revolver (.357) w/ laser sight. That, to me, seems more concealable and is *half* the weight.
Last edited by austinguy23; May 1st, 2007 at 02:42 AM.
May 1st, 2007 01:39 AM
Kimber puts out a good product, a little on the spendy side, but a good product. With this particular model you money is going to cosmetic and unneeded bells and whistles. They took a 700 hundred dollar gun, put some different peices parts on it to look cool and a laser They are selling it for twice as much?
Then I got to ask, if you are not going to carry it, why would you get the smaller versions? Get the full size gun, it shoots better and fits in your sock drawer just as well as the 3".
May 1st, 2007 02:36 AM
Thanks for the feedback.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
True, I'm sure the markup is hefty and primarily due to aesthetics and superfluous features, but I'll be the first to admit that I definitely factor in aesthetics along with form and function (dock my "man card" if ya like). As for the size, the ultra looks much more proportional to me and hence more attractive. I can live with the slightly inferior accuracy given most personal defense scenarios are within 10 feet.
Did I mention it has a frickin' laser beam?!
May 1st, 2007 02:53 AM
I personally would pass on the fricken lasers.
The Crimson Trace grips alone runs nearly $400 street and thats where the price boost comes in to play.
I have a Colt Defender that I bought lightly used for nearly 1/3 rd the Kimbers price and it's been stone reliable and I like it much. An 8 rd. Chip McCormick mag stowed in it's neck and she's good to go.
Keep shopping is what I'd do.
$1.3K is alot of money for what potentially could be taken away from you forever by the police as evidence, in a post Katrina H-Town.
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May 1st, 2007 09:30 AM
Kimber Ultra's carry very well in your front right trousers pocket. I carry a Kimber Ultra Carry II in a Sam Andrews www.andrewsleather.com , routinely.
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May 1st, 2007 10:23 AM
Kimber makes excellent firearms. I'm very happy with my Desert Warrior and my Ultra CDP II. I considered an Ultra Carry model w/ Crimson Trace grips when I purchased my CDP, but decided I liked the features on the CDP II and could always add the laser if I ever felt the need for it (I haven't). It's now my every day carry piece.
The one suggestion I'd make is to also consider a .45 acp instead of 9 x 19. If you're dead set on a 9mm 1911, you might also consider the Kimber Aegis or the Springfield Armory EMP.
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May 1st, 2007 10:24 AM
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May 1st, 2007 10:54 AM
I carry a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry (well, I did carry it until it went to the 'smith.. sniff, sniff, I miss my gun). ANYWAY, the size is great to conceal on my little frame. I love 1911s so that was an added bonus.
I told my husband that if the 'smith can't fix my gun I want to get a Kimber Ultra Raptor II in .45 and surgically remove that DAMNED firing pin safety that comes on the series II. They are a PAIN IN THE catoosh.
In my very personal opinion it was a mistake for Kimber to install the firing pin safety in every single new model. They should still offer their guns without that, but that's just Lima theory.
Kimbers in .45 have proved to be more reliable than Kimbers chambered in .40 (believe me, I know, I own two of them in .40).
I, personally, would loose the laser because a laser would probably prove to be more of a distraction than a help for me. I would demand night sights though.
Kimbers are good guns. They may have a bit of a break in period, but they are reliable (as long as you don't get one with an external extractor.. that was another mistake made by Kimber on the TLE.. thankfully they corrected that mistake and started putting the extractors back where they belonged.. on the inside.. at least for Kimber).
May 1st, 2007 11:21 AM
I'd pass on 3" 1911s honestly. Some are perfect, but there are many reports of quite a few being less than perfect. I'd go 4" bbl and officer size frame.
May 1st, 2007 11:24 AM
$1400 a lot for a Kimber Ultra
I tend to agree with Janq above that a $1400 price for a Kimber Ultra seems very high, even with a laser. I think you could get a Kimber Ultra or Colt Defender for well under $1000, depending on the exact model, and it would function as well.
I would also question the utility of the laser sight on a short range defensive gun like this. Inside of 10 feet, where most attacks happen, you will probably be point shooting anyway. Outside that range you might use your sights, if you have time and remember your training.
May 1st, 2007 11:42 AM
Oh yeah, FWIW, I paid $630 new for my UCII but it did not have night sights or front strap checkering...
May 1st, 2007 01:09 PM
I have to admit, every time I pass a Crimson Trace grips display, I pick it up and play with it, but thus far have resisted buying a set. The main reason is I don't want to become so trained on using it that my accuracy becomes dependant on batteries! (and you just know you'll end up playing with it a ton, killing the battery and probably pointing your gun at things you shouldn't...) Also, the less moving parts, the less things to go wrong, the better with any tool.
If you are considering a cut-down 1911 for under 10' use, I doubt you'll ever make much practical use out of the laser. The $400 tag helps keep me from buying it too, hey that's almost another gun!
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May 1st, 2007 06:21 PM
You can get the same gun, minus the fancy earth tone andonized lower and the digital camo grips for about $500 less. I have an Ultra Carry II with the night sights and the kick azz laser that I paid $829 for. Exact same gun without all the tacticool paint job.
Or, (never thought I'd say this) get a Glock 36 for under $500 at the gun show have it film dipped in digital desert camo and get a set of Lasergrips for it and have a gun nearly the same size, and proven 100% dead nutz reliable.
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May 1st, 2007 06:42 PM
I Have Two Kimbers...
Both CDP II's...one a Pro, and the other my EDC, an Ultra. Both CDP's were around $1,100...
I see no need for the laser...OMO
The CDP's are NICE guns...
Bottom line though...buy what makes YOU happy!
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May 1st, 2007 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by rodc13
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