PF-9's 1st trip to the range

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    PF-9's 1st trip to the range

    I ordered a PF-9 back in February at one of the local gun shops and it FINALLY arrived last week. With tax and an extra magazine, it set me back $363. I got a chance to take it to the gun range yesterday, so I thought I'd post the results of the trip and my impressions of the gun.

    First, this gun is essentially a P-11 that went on a diet. It's the overall size and is the same internally, only it's slightly thinner since it's a single stack pistol vs. double stack for the P-11. Actually, in a side by side comparison with my Bersa 380CC, they are almost identical in size and weight. The PF-9's fit and finish seem to be better than my P-3AT or the P-11's I've handled and the trigger is very smooth... a BIG surprise. I can't actually measure the trigger weight, but an educated guess would be 6-7 pounds with an even pull, clean break and almost no noticeable stacking. My gun is a newer model PF-9 with the modified (redesigned) barrel/feed ramp. Earlier guns used the P-11 barrel and there were many reported feed problems, especially with hollow point ammunition. The new feed ramp is longer and extends below the lip of the magazine. My only complaint on first cleaning the gun and getting a "feel" for it is the mag release button is very low profile and it takes some effort to engage. In a stress situation, it could cause a delay during magazine removal/reload or may not; it's hard to say at this point. Maybe the button will loosen up with more use, like the safety lever on many Bersa 380's.

    As for the trip to the range, there were (surprisingly) actually few surprises. The first few shots were a bit low and to the left of center a few inches at 15'. After a minor adjustment to the rear sight (and covering the target with the front sight) I was able to keep my shots consistently in the black, 3" center. I fired 100 rounds of CCI and WWB FMJ and there were no ammo related problems. The gun functioned well and accuracy was more than adequate, especially for a close range self-defense pistol. That being said, this is definitely not a range gun or target pistol. Its small size and weight also make it a pain (literally) to shoot after more than a magazine or two has been shot from the gun. While the pistol was not difficult to control, even wearing a shooters glove my hand became tired from the pounding by the time I'd fired the 100 rounds I took to the range. I predict this will become one of those guns most people will carry a lot but fire just enough to keep proficient. I fired single, aimed shots, double taps, full mags as fast as I could pull the trigger and all fired without a hitch except for one shot. I believe I didn't fully release the trigger so it could reset since it fired on the second pull. After I got home and broke the gun down, there was no obvious wear and after a good cleaning, it would be hard to tell the gun had ever been fired. I'll take it out to the range again next week and fire another 100 or so rounds through the gun. If it performs the same as it did yesterday, this little pistol will be a definate keeper!

    My overall impression is this is going to be a big seller for people who want the most bang they can get in the smallest, most reasonably priced package they can find. For those of you who want a Bersa 380/Walther PPK sized pistol that fires 9mm vs. 380, the PF-9 would be an obvious alternative and just may up your alley.
    Last edited by rachilders; May 24th, 2007 at 05:23 PM.
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    Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to do it. I've been eyeballing the PF9 for awhile now, it sounds like the bugs are getting worked out.
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    The main bug with the PF-9 seemed to be the fact K-T used the P-11 barrel in it, which was designed for a double stack gun vs. single stack. They replaced it with a new one designed for the PF-9 specifically and that seems to have taken care of the problem. The price seems to have gone up a bit as well, but I guess that was to be expected.
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    I don't think that any KelTec gun was designed to use as a fun gun at the range...they all hurt the fingers after 20-30 rounds...but they always go BANG!
    I was looking at the PF-9, but figure that already having the .32, the .380, and the 9mm(P-11), I'm KelTec'd out...

    Enjoy the new family member and thanks for the report!

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    meh, this is why its hard for me to decide to get one. I hear these wonderful stories about them...then I hear the ones where they had to send it back 5 times before it worked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I don't think that any KelTec gun was designed to use as a fun gun at the range...they all hurt the fingers after 20-30 rounds...but they always go BANG!
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    You hit the nail on the head. K-T's are built to be carried and used as self-defense guns, not range and target pistols. I'll practice with it enough to know how it operates under most situations, to make sure it will go bang when I pull the trigger and to allow me to hit what I'm aiming at when it does go bang. If I want to spend a pleasant day firing off hundreds of rounds, I'll use one of my other guns. The PF-9 (like my P-3AT) is made to be used "as necessary", which I can't foresee involving dozens (much less hundreds) of rounds fired.
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    I have a PF-9. It's back at Kel-Tec. We'll see if they can get the assembly pin out, because I sure can't. Neither could my gunsmith. The assembly pin broke as I was trying to remove it to disassemble the pistol for cleaning. And yes, I was removing it exactly the way the manual says to...with a spent 9mm casing.

    When it comes back, I am selling it or trading it for an actual quality pistol. No more Kel-Tecs for me.

    For all who think the PF-9 is the best thing since sliced bread, maybe you should take a look at these threads....

    http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaB...oard=newpistol

    Entire threads dedicated to fixing PF-9 problems and Kel-Tec's "wonderful" customer service. More than one occasion of the trigger spring breaking loose from its groove and rendering the pistol inoperable. That would throw a monkey wrench into your self-defense program if you ever really needed your pistol.

    My life is worth quite a bit more than $279.00. I bought this thing thinking that it would be neat to have the slimmest, lightest 9mm pistol. And it sure would be, if it wasn't for the poor engineering and poor quality parts.

    I guess I should have known better. After all, everyone knows that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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    Thanks for the report , and congrats on the pistol . I dont think i am ready to sell my Kahr pm and buy a couple of pf's just yet , but it looks like a strong contender for the folks that as a rule are willing to tinker with kel-tecs . In a couple of years it may well be market ready out of the box much like the evelution of the p3at . If i get a chance to aquire one cheap i will just so i can play too , but as stated it wont replace my kahr ... yet .
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    It is sad, but Metro 40 makes a good point. Maybe I have been lucky in not having to avail myself of Kel-Tecs highly rated customer service, but there are volumes of information and countless posts/threads on forums and web sites on how to do "fluff & buff" jobs and how to tweek K-T's pistols. In fact, F&B has become a cottage industry with K-T. Also, while it's great to hear that so many people have had such good experiences with K-T's repair service, I'd rather hear of all the people who HAVEN'T had to use their customer service department. I know that every manufacturer has it's share of "duds" and lemons and that NO gun (or anything else man made) is always going to work 100% of the time, everytime and NEVER experience any problems. However, am I wrong in thinking many (most?) of these problems are stuff that should have been taken care of by the factory, and that F&B's should NOT be necessary on the majority (?) of K-T pistols to make them operate the way they should?

    Like I said, my three K-T pistols have been trouble free...so far. However, I sometimes wonder if it's just a matter of time before the hammer falls and something does go wrong with one of my guns, and at the worst possible time (if Murphy has anything to do with it, it will). It's not a good feeling - as much as I like my K-T's - to wonder if it's not a matter of if my gun will break but when!
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    I like my PF9 and carry it every day. I do need to shoot it some more though.

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    Haven't had a single glitch with my P-11. And trust my life with it everyday.
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