New Glock 21/Range Report

New Glock 21/Range Report

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    New Glock 21/Range Report

    My experience in a Force-On-Force class a couple of weeks ago, convinced me of the virtues of a high capacity magazine. After seeking some advice (on this board and elsewhere) and renting a couple of guns at the range, I decided to go with the Glock 21, primarily because it shot so well for me. While I've got a newfound appreciation for guns that carry lots of bullets, I still believe in the virtues of a larger caliber (especially when the tradeoff is only 2-4 rounds).

    Despite Glocks being the most common make of handgun in the U.S., I had a heck of a time finding one with night sights. I really regret not getting the night sights on my USP when I bought it (of course, I never got around to having them added) so I wanted to have a set on my new pistol from the get go.

    Over the past week, I've put close to 500 rounds through my new Glock. It consistently shoots better for me than my USPc (my current EDC). I attribute this to the Glock's trigger (which is better than the semi-auto trigger on the USP) the fact that it's a fullsize gun with more mass to absorb recoil and a longer sight radius, and to the Glock's larger grip. I've got fairly big hands, and I think the grip on the USPc was actually on the borderline of being too small for me. It definitely shoots differently than my USP. The lower bore axis means it punches back into the web of my hand a lot more, whereas my USP had a lot more flip, and less punch.

    The only problems I've had with the Glock were two failures to go completely into battery which can probably be attributed to operator error. Both were when I was shooting in the half extension position and they came within 2 or 3 shots of each other. I figured I might be limp wristing it and sure enough, when I concentrated on keeping my wrists tight, the gun performed without a hitch. This is especially impressive since I haven't bothered to clean it since the first time I shot it (once it becomes my carry gun I'm going to baby it, so I figure I might as well stress-test it a bit now).

    The big question I had before I bought the Glock was whether I could adjust to the different grip angle. The grip angle on my USP pointed very naturally to me, but whenever I'd picked up a Glock, it usually pointed a bit high. The real acid test of this is going to be drawing and shooting at full speed and seeing where it ends up pointing. Unfortunately, the range I've been using doesn't allow shooting from the holster (it's the same place I bought the gun, and since they gave me a free 30 day range pass with the gun I figure I ought to take full advantage of it). However, I have practiced drawing during my dry fire practice. While I started out pointing high, it seems like it's getting better. My biggest problem hasn't been getting it to point correctly, it's been getting my support hand in the right place. This may seem odd, but as I mentioned above, the grip on my USPc is on the small side for my hands. The palm of my support hand doesn't actually make contact with the gun. The Glock's grip is much bigger, giving me plenty of room to get the base of my left palm in contact with the pistol. Unfortunately, the small grip on my USP meant that I didn't have to pay much attention to exactly how my hands lined up, I just kind of laid the knuckles of my support hand over the ones on my firing hand. With the Glock, I need to get my left hand to line up a little differently. The bigger grip has also led me to go from a thumbs crossed to a parallel thumb grip. It's definitely going to take some getting used to.

    Overall, I'm very happy with my new pistol. I plan on running some of my carry ammo through it this weekend. As long as that doesn't give me any trouble, it'll become my new carry gun.


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    I just got a 21 SF a couple of days ago. There really nice.
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    Thanx for the report. Gotta 21 on hold for myself.
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    I stopped by the local gun porn dealer here in Nashville to check one of the new EMPs but to no avail. The DID have a G21SF and fell in LOVE with it. As soon as funds allow I'll probably be picking one of those up. They had both the 21 and the 21SF on hand...the new configuration makes for a really nice handling Glock.
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    G-21 rocks, if you have the paws for it, It's a little big for me, but Not to much that I'd go to a lower capacity, or smaller caliber. That's why it's my EDC. Kevin at K&D can hook you up with a sweet Cochise Defender IWB if you need a carry rig.

    I haven't had the pleasure of trying out the new SF yet.

    If you haven't been shown this yet, a handy trick for improving trigger control, after firing a shot, hold the trigger back, then as recoil settles, slowley release it till you feel "click", then you are reset and ready for the next shot. It helps a ton when practicing double taps or rapid fire.
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    Try a tungsten guide rod. I did, and I like it.
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    The 21 is a great gun that will offer years of reliable service. I've enjoyed the 21 and 30. The 36 is the only .45 that I've had problems with.

    Good luck.

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    for those with smaller hands, the G21SF may do the trick. I bought one and am impressed with it's accuracy. Although I will not carry it, I carry a G30, the G21SF will be my primary home defense gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slewfoot;
    for those with smaller hands, the G21SF may do the trick. I bought one and am impressed with it's accuracy. Although I will not carry it, I carry a G30, the G21SF will be my primary home defense gun.
    Having seen only one G21SF here, is the grip at a different angle than the G21 model? Or is the only difference the grip circumference (besides mag release)?

    I like my G30, but the short grip does no good with +P loads
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    The grip angle is the same.
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    The G21SF is slightly shorter in the grip from the front to back, not the in the width from the regular G21. I found it fits my hand really well, and hope to pick one up soon. I'm still trying to figure out how to carry a full-size though, short of shoulder holster. The G19 fits well but I prefer a .45 if possible.
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    Nice report, this is the first time I have heard of this SF (slim frame) model. I'm going to look around in a few minutes and see the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighwaymanRider View Post
    The G21SF is slightly shorter in the grip from the front to back, not the in the width from the regular G21. I found it fits my hand really well, and hope to pick one up soon. I'm still trying to figure out how to carry a full-size though, short of shoulder holster. The G19 fits well but I prefer a .45 if possible.
    A good IWB will do the trick, I'm not a big guy, 5'-9" at 195 and it hides just fine under a golf shirt left untucked inside my Cochise Defender from K&D. I wear it every day in an office setting, no one the wiser.
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    Just to add:

    The new 21SF can not take the original 21 mags, but the Original 21 can take either mag.

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