Sa Loaded Champ.
This is a discussion on Sa Loaded Champ. within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Anyone have any experience with this particular 1911?
It has a 4" barrel. What is the difference with 4" and 4.25" is there something to ...
June 4th, 2007 11:44 AM
Sa Loaded Champ.
Anyone have any experience with this particular 1911?
It has a 4" barrel. What is the difference with 4" and 4.25" is there something to do with wether it is bushingless or not? (not sure what I am talking about here so thats why I am asking)
I have an XD.40 and haven't had the first sign of a problem with over 1k rounds so far. not even at "break-in" eats everything I feed it. Doesn't seem to care if its dirty or not either. Can I expect the same with the 1911?
Thanks In advance
June 4th, 2007 11:52 AM
I have the stainless Loaded Champion and I have to say it is my favorite handgun! It is very accurate and functions for me with Wilson Magazines perfectly. It being stainless is a little heavy but I like that, especially when shooting. It carries exceptionally well in my Milt Sparks VersaMax-II.
My carry ammo is Cor-Bon 185gr +P DPX.
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June 4th, 2007 01:20 PM
Maybe, maybe not; though I expect the XD will go on for 1000's of more rnds.
June 4th, 2007 03:01 PM
I had a parkerized Champion prior to the "Loaded" line came out. Mine was basically set up the same though. They're actually very good guns and personally, I like the 4" - 4.25" 1911 models best for carry. They're just a bit more compact than the fullsize models but that 1" of slide really makes it more comfortable when sitting for long periods and I've had much better luck with them than I have with sub-4" guns.
SA's 4" Champion is a bushingless, conical bull barrel design. Some don't care for it & others love it. In a purist sense, I prefer the 4.25" bushing design as a rule - as in the Colt Commander. In practical terms though, it doesn't matter much to me either way. The heavy, bull barrel DOES add an extra bit of weight up front that may help control muzzle flip for some shooters.
Both designs work well for me so, the bull barrel vs. bushing alone wouldn't be a deciding factor in whether or not to buy a particular gun. Now, that "OD" fella may just tell ya' otherwise ... but he's a true fanatic!
June 4th, 2007 03:23 PM
1911 Bushing vs. Bushingless
I have 1911s in 5.0 and 4.25 inch barrel lengths with bushings, and in 3 and 4 inch barrel lengths with the bushingless design, where the flared barrel locks up on the hole in the slide. I once wondered about the same thing, and did some research on it.
Originally Posted by MIKEV
The answer I found was that the reason is geometry and the angle of the barrel as it unlocks and tilts upward. Remember how snugly the barrel bushing fits on a 1911? As the gun fires, the slide and bushing move back along the barrel, and the barrel tilts upward a bit at the muzzle end. With a 4.25 or 5.0 inch barrel, the angle of tilt of the barrel is fairly small, and the barrel does not bind in the bushing, which has enough inside diameter to accomodate a little tilting.
But with a shorter barrel, such as 3.0, 3.5 or 4.0 inches, the barrel angle during cycling is greater, and the barrel will tend to bind excessively in the bushing, which could lock up the gun or damage the components. The solution that is generally used is to use the bushingless barrel design, with a tapered barrel that can accomodate a greater tilt angle during cycling of the gun.
June 4th, 2007 03:46 PM
Thanks pogo!! appreciate the information.
June 4th, 2007 05:31 PM
I own a SA Champ LW. I like the 4" barreled design. I had to do a bit of break in(about 100rnds )to get it to feed correct 100% with wide mouthed Fed hydrashocks ) but it works flawlessly now. Also SA had to replace the slide stop ,as mine was not working right .
I would not hesitate to buy another (if I had a use for 1). I recommend using SA factory mags , as I have had some issues with other brands.
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