This is a discussion on Tough Guns within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs
Shade: Which POST academy are you going to ? A young lad who is like a stepson to me just ...
June 12th, 2007 01:26 PM
Through AIMS in Greeley, the firearms courses will be held at the academy in Golden. Just buy the guys tone I could guess that he had a personal dislike for Glocks.
Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs
My guess was they had a kaboom, they happen, and can happen with any pistol, but Glock is not know for their customer support after such an incident, but that is just a guess.
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June 12th, 2007 01:59 PM
Ahh ok Camp George West then ( CSP academy ) The ghost of Jess Gibson lives on with state patrol then LOL . ( ask around the csp academy about Jess , he is retired now , but rather a legend ) . He and Art Bell ( DC Metro , and later worked for Glock ) taught my Police Firearm Instructors course way back in the day .. With CSP ( Gibson ) Rabidly hating glocks , and Bell having been instrumental in getting them selected by D.C. Metro it was a shall we say interesting and informitave class LOL .
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June 12th, 2007 02:15 PM
XD a tough Gun
I love my XDSC in 9mm
4000, bangs no trouble !
Accurate, $ affordable to shoot
A tough Gun.
you wont be disappointed.
try several different makes and manufacturers
Rent em' all ----before ya commit.
Glocks are tough But, I like the feel of an XD in my hand.
My Buddy called last week after shooting mine. He just went out and bought 1 also.
June 12th, 2007 04:24 PM
Yes the XD has taken some cue from the Glock as far as the finnish goes. The XD platform has been around for several years to though. They have served well in Croatia as military and leo weapons.
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June 12th, 2007 04:44 PM
i know you have gotten a lot of responses already but ill through in my 2 cents. As far durability goes, I would say any HK. Even though im planning on getting an XD (which are also VERY DURABLE). Other companies may do this as well, but I know HK puts their guns in ovens, puts them in freezers, in water, and in mud, taken them out of each and shoots them right away (within seconds). and they always go bang (usually accompanies with the shatter of ice or mud flying everywhere). theres a movie somewhere on you tube of it (although in german) if you can find it. its about the p2000.
June 12th, 2007 04:51 PM
Glock will serve you well. Got your choice too in small , medium and large sizes in all the popular calibers.
June 12th, 2007 10:13 PM
"Somewhere there is a write up on the SIG 220 Combat. They dropped it, ran over it with bulldozers, blew it up with high explosives, froze them, used them to crush rocks, dropped a backhoe bucket from 40 feet on them, still cycled and fired."
"Most of us have torture tested ours harder that the advertised Glock tests. Well with the exception of the one where they threw it out of a helicopter at like 150'. None of us has a helicopter. We have however dropped some of them from 50' on to pavement. We have yet to break one."
I don't understand. Aren't pistols for shooting?
June 12th, 2007 10:17 PM
The size thing isn't so much an issue because of what I limited the choices mentioned to. Glocks feel fine in medium or small frame (large frame is too large a grip for my hands); HK USPs and USP compacts also feel nice, though I haven't shot them yet; Sigs in P220/P226/P229 all feel great in my hands, especially with the slimmer factory grips.
Only problem I'm finding now is renting these guns (Glocks I don't need to rent - the only calibers I haven't shot are the 10mm and .357). The USP I haven't found to rent yet, and most of the Sig models for rent are coming in .357 Sig or .40 S&W, neither caliber much interests me (I prefer, and do well with, 9mm and .45).
Ah well, the search goes on.
Good list and good reasons so far folks!
Facetiously, I would answer they already did that in the tests.
Originally Posted by bmcgilvray
On a serious note, though, I want as dependable a handgun as I can buy. The type of weapon I can carry and know for certain that not only will it shoot, it will shoot in the most adverse conditions, against all odds and most sensibilities. People who perform these torture tests, company-sponsored or not, help to prove just how reliable a product is. I thank them, and envy their jobs!
June 12th, 2007 11:54 PM
HK's fit my hand perfectly, every time, without modification. I 'm as accurate with them as I am with anything else, but the 3 times I've fired one (avg. ~20 rounds) (2 9mm, 1 .45) I've had the classic HK jam. Not hard to clear, but not what I want in a carry piece.
Originally Posted by friesepferd
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June 13th, 2007 01:55 AM
Did you put the bullets in the magazine like in that picture? (backwards)
Originally Posted by mtnfreak
I would go Glock (even though I hate them with a passion as pure as freshly fallen snow.) If they work for you they are one of the best guns on the market. For all the reasons stated previously.
Failing that however, the CZ pistols are also a very nice choice and can end up being a bit cheaper (if money is an issue).
Have not handled HK or Sig so I can not speak for them.
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June 13th, 2007 01:59 AM
The "classic HK jam" is a new one for me. Been around HK's for years and haven't heard that one. The only documented facts I know about is the military test trials. The HK fired approx. 160,000 rds. without a malfuntion. Maybe the gun you fired had a bad non-factory mag that was causing the problem. Dunno?
Originally Posted by mtnfreak
June 13th, 2007 09:21 AM
Glock and Ruger both of mine have seen some tough days but they keep going bang!!!!!! Thats what counts.
June 13th, 2007 09:40 AM
I have done all kinds of things to try and get my GLOCK to fail. I will not. I have read several places that the .40 especially is prone to failure with high pressure reloads, which GLOCK recommends against highly. I shoot factory fresh ammo. You will not win any beauty contests with a GLOCK but it will go BANG BANG BANG BANG......for a very long time. You will have no problem finding holsters or accessories. Plus...It may sound paranoid but with LE carrying them about 60% or better nationwide, they might hesitate to shoot if they roll up and see you with a BG at bay. Though that is not 100% obviously.
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June 13th, 2007 03:26 PM
I'm going to put my $0.02 in for the Glock as well, (H&K 2nd) with the caviat that go with the gun that you like to shoot the most. Find a range that rents pistols and see what you like. It took a bit for me to get used to the grip angle on the Glock, but now I really like them.
I finally settled with a Glock after considering several factors:
1. price- it's an affordable piece with widely available inexpensive options/holsters/spare parts. Who would want to throw a $2500 Wilson across the pavement when the cops arrive after 'needing it'?!
2. features- I like the simplicty of the safetyless design, trigger & high ammo capacity. (I know, 3 safties but you pull the trigger it goes bang. Personally I don't consider it as having a safety.)
3. design- polyemer guns are light and more comfortable in the 90% humidity of the Virgina summer. Maybe i'm alone but I actually like the way they look, especially with a nickel-finished slide.
4. reputation- there are many guns that have been well tested and trialed but (detractors aside, as all guns have detractors) there is a reason the G17/19 is the most popular pistol in the world and that it carried by the most LEO's
5. durability & maintainence- Almost nothing sticks out on a Glock. There is nothing to dent or bend, no external little pins or spring housings. Glocks will operate fine after being abused, filled with dirt or water, and they require very little lubrication to function perfectly.
Many guns including an h&k or a reputable 1911 can rate on that table, but no other gun rated as high to me on all 5 points.
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June 13th, 2007 04:10 PM
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Because when you find something-you stop looking-Mooch
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