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    Need some advice

    Well, I'm pretty much sold on a Keltec P3AT as a quick, easily concealable, pocket carry gun for the moment.

    However, I REALLY would like to get a 1911 in the upcoming months. Keep in mind that I'm a student, and have one heck of a tight budget to work with.

    I'm looking into the Systema's and Llamas that you can get at gun shows, as well as Rock Island Armory's, and used Springfield GI editions. I'd like to spend around $300.

    No, I don't care how it 'looks', I care how it works. I do not care about the name brand, just a solid performer. Planned carry ammo is CorBon Powerball or Federal EFMJ. I'd like to carry Federal HST, but I'll have to see how the particular gun I choose handles JHP's first, until then the FMJ profiles are planned.

    I do NOT want an extended beavertail nor a ambidextrous safety, but I will put on an ambidextrous mag release later on.

    I was debating about building one with a builder's kit and a frame, but I won't have the time to do it right, so count it out. Replacing parts would be acceptable, although I'd like to reduce the amount of time in the gunsmith's as much as possible (read: no gunsmith trips unless needed for a barrel replacement/fit).

    The 1911 would be a carry gun that would keep everything except the slide in the car, assembled before I start driving (a NO handguns house, but rifles/shotguns are ok, but I know I can easily sneak the 380 in and out). Again, finish isn't important. Scratches/dings aren't important. Intact sights (or a slide that facilitates the ease of replacement without machine tools), and function are what I'm concerned with here.

    Any suggestions to look into?
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    If you can scour around - shows and shops - even buy/sell forum threads ...... a scuffed Gov A1 or Systema could do the trick. Mind you, IMO even half nice examples of either can still fetch fair money.

    Perhaps a Norinco or one of the other clones could work - but I think you'd need to get a hands-on self appraisal as against sight unseen. There have to be boatloads of semi tired but very functional 1911's out there so keep looking.

    Quite a few things to check of course - extractor (probably internal) ..... firing pin integrity (do pencil test) - slide cracks (any?) .... barrel bushing ........ toggle arm and pin ... recoil spring etc.

    Bud, QK or OD etc will help more than I can.
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    Any hints on checking the extractor out? All I really know about the 1911 extractors is that they need to be tuned with the proper amount of tension, but have no clue how that's checked.

    Let's say the ND gave a little lesson on disassembly....no needed trigger pull is a smart thing.
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    The new Highstandard's are pretty good shooters and they are pretty close to the price range you want.
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    Any hints on checking the extractor out?
    Actually main thing I think of is whether chipped/damaged. I had one in a P12-45 which had a small chip I failed to notice and then it lost even more of the hook - of course - malfunctions!

    It was a cast extractor - I replaced with a ''bulletproof'' from Brownells and that was a good item.
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    Cool Llama!

    A friend of mine had a Llama, and said you'd be better off with an ice pick and a hammer!


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    You will find somebody who will say that about any/all manufacturers, so I personally disregard them considering the positive reviews I have read of them as well.
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    Personally, I would consider it to be a major challenge to find a 1911 in that price range that would be reliable enough to bet your life on. The only exception might be a Norinco - they are, believe it or not - the most reliable out of the box 1911's I've ever seen personally. However, a Norinco will probably cost you closer to $400-450, depending upon condition. A lot of custom pistolsmiths like them as base guns for custom jobs because their metalurgy is so good. Since Clinton banned then from further importation, they are getting scarce and the price is going up accordingly.
    As far as extractor tension goes, a guage is available from Brownell's for just that purpose. With a 1911, the incorrect extractor tension causes a LOT of malf's.
    I just paid $350 for a really clean Glock 19. It is a LOT of gun for the money and might be a better choice given the price range that you've specified. However, if you truly want a 1911, then a Norinco would be your best bet IMHO. In any event, Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep45238 View Post
    You will find somebody who will say that about any/all manufacturers, so I personally disregard them considering the positive reviews I have read of them as well.
    Perhaps so. However, I know of absolutely no one who really knows guns who will recommend anything made by Llama.

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    I'm not one to knock guns just because of their "reputation" on the internet. But, I've seen enough Llamas not work during trips to the range to ensure that I'll never tell someone it is an acceptable choice.
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    Cool

    I think we have an obligation to each other to share information, particularly negative information based on actual experience. It is after all in our best interest.
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    Check out the RIA, they are dead reliable, and great shooter also. You will not find a better 1911 as close to your budget as a ROCK. Any question about them go here. http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17

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    Quote Originally Posted by mag44laf View Post
    I think we have an obligation to each other to share information, particularly negative information based on actual experience. It is after all in our best interest.
    It is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    I'm not one to knock guns just because of their "reputation" on the internet. But, I've seen enough Llamas not work during trips to the range to ensure that I'll never tell someone it is an acceptable choice.
    Exactly. Personal experiance vs. hear-say are two totally different things. And there is way too much hear-say on that thar interweb thingamadohicky.
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    I have a Llama in my safe (XI-9mm) that I've tried everything to get to work and still have FTE problems.
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