Glock 25?

Glock 25?

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    Glock 25?

    Does anyone here own a Glock model 25 ? I didn't know it existed until today. But I'm not an expert on them or anything. I've ready they aren't available but does anyone know why?
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    The Glock 25 is the .380 compact version. They are out there, but from what I have seen, it is not a popular chamber of carry. I carry the G19, as I prefer the 9mm version more (cheaper to shoot as well).
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    Is the 25 the same size as a 19 or 26?
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    BATFE doesn't allow Glock to import the G25 (or the Glock 28, it's other .380 caliber gun) into the United States.

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    Well, I checked Glock's site & answered my own question.

    Apparently they have 2 .380 models, the 25 & 28, which are the same size as the 19 & 26, respectively.

    They're also the same weight, so I don't imagine they sell many of them. You would think they would come out with more slim line models to compete with other subcompacts.

    If Glock came out with a slimmer, shorter, & lighter 9mm, I'd get rid of my Kahr & carry that.
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    They sell alot in europe, something about civies are not allowed to posses firearms in police calibers, so the 9mm is off limits. People buy the .380 version.
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    Any reason why? Figured that the .380 caliber would sit well with some shooters. It seems curious that the .380 round would be singled out.

    I would be very interested to hear more...
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    I've had a few glocks in the past. I was just wondering why BATFE would have something against a 380?
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    Not enough import points to meet BATF standards. One of the criteria has to do with the power of the cartridge. Glock would have to add some other feature to get it enough import points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis27 View Post
    Any reason why? Figured that the .380 caliber would sit well with some shooters. It seems curious that the .380 round would be singled out.
    BATFE has a points system for determining whether a pistol is intended for sporting purposes under the Gun Control Act of 1968. One of the things a gun gets points for is caliber. .380 ACP doesn't provide enough points for the Glock 25 or 28 to be imported.

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    Here's an explanation of the point system and how it relates to Glocks...

    http://glockfaq.com/models.htm#points
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    Thanks! I never knew...
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    Note that the .380 Glocks have two problems with the points system. First there is a 7 point difference due to caliber (for some reason the .380 only gets 3 points, while a 9mm gets 10 points). Next, a handgun gets 5 points for a Locked breech mechanism. Glocks in .380 are blow back.

    These 12 points would be almost impossible to make up, when you look at what is left. It would take major changes/additions to get the .380 models up to the minimum of 75 points. By comparison, the G26 just makes it with no points to spare.
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    Just out of curiosity, what does Glock do in the Smyrna, GA plant? I take it it's not manufacturing? I mean, if they were actually MAKING the .380 guns in GA there wouldn't be any import problems ... sort of like Walther/S&W selling the PPK in .32 and .380.
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    Smyrna is responsible for various repair, import, marketing, etc functions for the U.S. They also replace the cheap "Click adjustable target sight" (installed in Austria only to get import points) with the standard sights.

    I think they make some frames in Smyrna. The OD green frames are made in America. Other than that, I'm not sure if they do any manufacturing there.

    I know the Glock slides cannot be manufactured in the U.S. The tenifer process violates our environmental regulations. I’m guessing if Glock really wanted to sell a .380 here, they could import the slides and manufacture everything else here. But given that they have no size advantage over the 9mm models, there would not be much demand.
    Last edited by JT; June 21st, 2007 at 08:51 AM.
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