This is a discussion on Why a .45 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by OD Because they won't let me in Pizza Hut with my 870. Crap Dan, I just shot coffee out of my nose... ...
If you don't mind the inquiry, in what kind of capacity were you acquiring such experience in C.O.M and head shots using these various pistols? I was surprised to read about it, as I didn't think that our modern military did a whole lot of killing with handguns--although I read further and you said it was when you couldn't re-load your rifle... Now I am intrigued.
This has been an enlightening thread. I have had myths busted for me by this thread. (Particularly, that of the belief that the "hydrostatic shock" or wound channel effect of handgun bullets had some significant power to effect a stop.)
I would never talk like that in person to anyone, not even my best friend.
As to my capacity. I started my career as a bodyguard in the Army. Then me and my partner got put on a "recon" type team. In the eary late 80's, early 90's, they didn't have the technology we have today. So when they needed specific intel for some high priority targets, they would send us in to take live video, and pics via a little "satellite dish" (best way to explain it). This could be damn near anywhere in the world, usually in the middle of the night.
In a perfect world, we are supposed to go in, take video/pics and leave without anyone knowing the better. But it didn't always work out that way.
It's taken me a long time to be able to even write about some things. But I believe I have overcame my demons, and am willing to write to anonymous people about it...ocasionally.
As for friends and family...I will let them think I was the guy who was an a$$hole for so many years for no reason, then suddenly changed his stripes for the sake of family. Now...I am a nice guy.
"Nice grips, weird choice of etching" Rocky
Well the bottom line for me is, no amount of hashing over this number or that number beats real world experience. It's silly to think that handgun bullets at 1200 - 1450 fps do no damage due to velocity and energy, but at about 2000 fps, there's some magic that takes place that liquefies organs. It's not an on/off switch, everything is gradual.
The .40 and .357 magnum cartridges work just as well or better than the .45. That's real world street experience. If 'big and slow" worked so great, there would be no need for .45 +P, but obviously there is, if that's the new standard. It's because faster bullets work better, for whatever reason. The .44 is in a class by itself not because it's a .429 bullet, but because it's a .429 moving fast.
Why drive .45 bullets to +P if it's of no consequence to the human body?
If 300 fps more velocity of the .40 over the .45 doesn't make any difference, then I bet .05 inch won't make any difference either.
Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.
And or because they sell.If 'big and slow" worked so great, there would be no need for .45 +P, but obviously there is, if that's the new standard. It's because faster bullets work better, for whatever reason.
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I shoot a .45 because I have confidence in the round, and in my ability to place it where needed. If someone is more confident with another round, they should shoot it.
Shot placement is the biggest factor in the effectiveness of any handgun round. If you can't hit something important, it doesn't matter what caliber you use.
Do I think the .45 ACP is the ne plus ultra of defensive rounds? No. I'll take a 12 guage slug for close range work, but as was stated earlier, Pizza Hut frowns on the 870.
The .45 is just the best handgun round for me, now. If I find and acquire a 9mm, .40 or .357 I shoot better with, and is at least as reliable as my .45, I'll carry/shoot that.
I like my guns in both 9mm & .45. I find .45 handguns to have a recoil that I can handle better than a .40. I'm talking follow-up shots, here.
Yes, one can make the arguement for 1 shot incapicity, but for the most part, it's really shot placement.
For me (& I'm talking about only me on this), my follow-up shots suffer with the "fast" recoil of a .40. I wish it didn't because handguns for .40s are typically on the same frame as for 9mm & are similar in size & weight. Because of that, they're typically smaller, lighter, & with higher capacity than .45s.
With the right .45, I make follow-up shots quickly & accurately, like my 9mm. I can't say the same for a .40.
That's why I like .45. That, & a 1911 just isn't a 1911 in 9mm or .40.
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Glock 19 & 26, Kahr CM9 & P45, Para P12, Kel-Tec P-32, S&W 442, & Dan Wesson 14-2.
One thing that stood out to me the very first time I shot a .45 was the recoil. While my 9mm was very controlable the word that comes to mind was "snappy" with my uncles p220 it was more of a "Push" and I was able to control the muzzle flip a little better.
To those that paid for my freedom,
I WILL NEVER FORGET.
As with all statements I've made and All that I will make, please check your local laws to verify accuracy. (and if i'm wrong let me know as I like to be right in the future) After all I'm just some goofball posting on an internet forum.
I chose a 45 because I love the full sized frame 1911 style handgun. Same reason I own a BHP in 9mm.
I carry a 45 because a 9mm might expand, and a 45 "will not" skrink.
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