Why a .45
This is a discussion on Why a .45 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I was asked the following question:
Why did you select a Kimber .45 over say a Glock 9mm or a XD40? Why the .45 that ...
July 8th, 2007 02:02 AM
Why a .45
I was asked the following question:
Why did you select a Kimber .45 over say a Glock 9mm or a XD40? Why the .45 that has half the capacity of some of these other guns. You don't have to sell me on Kimber, I know they make a beautiful gun. But why .45 over some other calibers? I am looking to purchase a pistol, for home defense as well as I would like to find a club and do some IDPA or IPSA type events. It seems like everyone has an opinion and no two have been alike, except go shoot and see which one feels best. I'm not sure where to start. Give me your view.
and here is my answer to him:
Why a .45 I guess because a .50 cal is just to hard to conceal and it kicks really bad.
No the truth is I am not much of an expert on guns.
I got a short barreled Winchester Model 1300 Defender for Christmas in 2002 for home defense and it is IMHO the best home defense weapon on the market (a 18 ½ inch barrel 12 ga pump shotgun that is). Knowing then what I know now I would probably get a Mossberg, but my Winchester is a great gun.
Then I read a book "Last Light" by Terrie Blackstock (you can find her writings in the religious fiction section at Barnes and Noble). It recounts a world wide blackout where no modern convinces work, no cars, not electricity and what happens to society when disaster hits. About that same time there was a movie on the TV about the Bird Flu epidemic and what happened to society happened when that came to pass. Then we had 1/4 inch ice storm nothing like happens in your area but I went to the store for something and watched people pushing and shoving to get toilet paper, it was a 1/4 of inch of ice and it was going to be gone in 24 hours, 48 at the most. That is when I decided to get a handgun and to get a concealed handgun permit.
My best friend has 20 or 30 guns. He lives in Pennsylvania and I went to visit him and he had a .45 Kimber that I shot a few magazines through it and it felt great I was a good shot with it so that is what I got. The .45 round is made to stop people and I decided if I ever had to use it I wanted all the stopping power I could get. I had heard stories of .38s glancing off windshields or not stopping bad guys and a 9 mm is basically the size of a .38. So I bought the .45. I went to a concealed handgun class and got my license (which I think is totally unconstitutional) how can the state of Texas make me get a license to bear arms when the second amendment grants me that right. They don't make me get a license to practice my religion, or to speak freely! I think that everyone in Illinois should sue your governor and state representatives for not allowing you to bear arms.
I pray every morning as I put the weapon on and walk out the door that I never have to use it to protect myself, my loved ones, or any other innocents and that if I have to use it I shoot true, but I don't go anywhere without it.
I truly believe that every honest American has the social responsibility to pay their taxes, vote, bring their garbage cans off the curb after the garbage man comes and carry a handgun.
So now I have a 12 ga shotgun and a .45 handgun, I will be getting a AR 15 before President Bush is out of office because I believe the Democrats (which are really socialist and communist at heart) will try to take my 2nd amendment rights away from all of us if they can.
As far as buying a Glock, XD, Beretta, or a Karh when I got the Kimber 1911 I did it because Rodger told me to, but now I know I would not have anything else for safety and quality reasons (other than a Para ordinance). There are more safety features on a 1911 than any other handguns. I carry mine in condition 1 (with one in the chamber and cocked and ready for action). I just have to draw, flip the safety off and it is ready to fire. I like the fact that it has the manual safety. Again I bought the Kimber Ultra CDP because Rodger said to but now I find it easy to conceal, and it weights 25 ounces, and at 25 yards it is more than accurate. I have more than 4000 rounds down range with it and have never had a malfunction with the exception of one trip to the range where I was using a different ammo than usual, and that time I had 2 fail to eject stoppages which where easy enough to clear and keep firing.
Last Christmas Santa brought me Crimson Trace Grips and I do love the laser.
This is more than you asked for and I rambled a bit sorry about that.
I know others on this forum have different opinions so thought I would give them a chance to disagree!
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
"Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."
July 8th, 2007 02:10 AM
I think that the 45 is an excellent defensive weapon. To me, in a SHTF situation, I could conceivably use up all of my hollow points, and need to use the FMJ rounds that I have for the range. A 230 gr FMJ round has decent stopping power. Far better than a 9mm FMJ round. Most importantly, though, is that you find the gun comfortable, and you shoot it well. Now, I also like higher capacity, so my primary carry gun is the XD 45, with a 13+1 capacity. But heck, Kimber makes fine weapons, and you can carry extra magazines. Enjoy the Kimber!
July 8th, 2007 02:12 AM
I'm glad everyone near me brings their trashcans in after they are emptied, but I would rather some of them didn't vote.
Voting should be optional, at my discretion.
July 8th, 2007 02:16 AM
The best reply is because they don't make a .46
July 8th, 2007 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy
Why a .45 I guess because a .50 cal is just to hard to conceal and it kicks really bad.
... "Last Light" by Terrie Blackstock ... recounts a world wide blackout ... and what happens to society when disaster hits.
Everything other than strictly-target bullets are made to stop animals. "Stopping" power is a myth when assumed to be based on size, expansion, speed or weight, alone. Physics being what it is, the mere fact we can shoot guns without getting knocked on our cans means one thing: handgun bullets don't pack much of a whallop and won't knock a human target on his can via the "power" delivered. You've got to punch as many holes in vitals as quickly as possible. The sooner you do that, the sooner one or more vitals will shut down. Then, and only then, is the target stopped. The particular combination of factors that will be best? Depends on you, the situation, the gun, the ammo and most importantly your ability to strike vitals quickly and effectively.
The .45 round is made to stop people ...
Obviously there are many ways to slice that onion. Larger is better, all things being equal. Faster is better, all things being equal. Heavier is better, all things being equal. But, of course, they're not equal. Why? Because a human's at the controls. So. Pick the mix such that the system, the whole ball of wax, works best for you.
For me, these are my thoughts: clickie. A mid-sized, semi-auto pistol with exceptional reliability and balance, with high capacity and the 9mm round, which is available around the world. That's what works for me. I've found two that have delivered the degree of accuracy, ease of manipulation in stressful situations, reliability and simplicity that I look for: the CZ P01 and the Browning BDM. I have yet to find any pistol with which I'm more accurate. And nothing has been as reliable, from 1911's to Glocks, from Smiths to whatever.
What will work for you? Dunno. Depends on your valuation and ranking of preferences for certain features and capabilities of the whole system: you, the shooter; the gun and its characteristics; the ammo, and what it's capable of.
July 8th, 2007 02:49 AM
I carry a .45 because it's the largest caliber I can shoot well in a double stack pistol. If I couldn't shoot a high-cap .45, I'd carry a high-cap .40. Handgun bullets are wimpy, repeated application may be necessary! However, unlike ccw9mm, I do think there is a significant difference between the standard self-defense calibers. I'm not willing to make a significant sacrifice in capacity (no single stacks), but I do want to carry the largest number of the most powerful rounds I can.
July 8th, 2007 03:06 AM
Perhaps I was unclear. I see quite a difference. Problem is, depending on the person, the gun and the situation, any single given factor may well be nullified by other factors. ie, .50cal is nice, but it requires two extra pockets just to carry the dang thing, and itself might well be too large to bring to bear sufficiently quickly to avoid getting taken out during the delay. .45's nice, assuming you can be accurate enough to matter. 9mm's nicely effective, but only so long as the gains made through aim or follow-up performance outweighs the reduced caliber. Speed/penetration factors are fine, assuming they match what you need. And so on.
Originally Posted by Blackeagle
So do I. The largest number of the most-powerful rounds I can effectively place on the target. Nothing else matters, if I can't do that quickly and well. Anything that gets in the way of doing that quickly or well is a detriment and severe cost of the chosen mix.
but I do want to carry the largest number of the most powerful rounds I can.
The point is: nothing is ever equal, except perhaps for the most expert, the most skilled. Everything varies by person, by ability, by a host of factors about the equipment that dramatically affect one's performance under stressful situations.
July 8th, 2007 03:17 AM
I went to a concealed handgun class and got my license (which I think is totally unconstitutional) how can the state of Texas make me get a license to bear arms when the second amendment grants me that right
Clear up one major misunderstanding:
The Second Amendment "grants" you NOTHING.
You HAVE the right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment merely stands as notice to the government that it may not infringe upon it.
We are understood to already possess our rights. The Constitution is a document that grants powers to the government, and reserves all other powers to the states and the People. It doesn't grant a single right. If it were shredded tomorrow, you could still stand here and assert that you have all the rights you have today.
July 8th, 2007 03:21 AM
July 8th, 2007 09:27 AM
The real world difference between many of these round is negligible IMO.
huh? .40 is more powerful than a .45?
more powerful than a .45,
July 8th, 2007 09:33 AM
A different reason
Timmy Jimmy asked the question "why a .45?" and has drawn a variety of responses. My answer has a different reason that does not involve caliber comparisons, stopping power, or prices.
I have a number of .45s, as well as most other calibers, because I am a handgun nut and .45 is one of the commonly used calibers. I wanted to own, use and experience all the variations of handgun design, brand names, calibers and types out there. I like to shoot handguns and my hobby is learning about them, collecting them and talking about them. So I have revolvers and semiautos ranging from .22 caliber to .45 caliber, and I like them all.
But the .45 does have certain attributes that make it a necessary part of any shooter's inventory. It has historical value because of its long use by US citizens, it is the standard caliber for the classic 1911 pistol, it is the largest commonly used semiauto caliber, and it is a lot of fun to shoot. If you really want to "experience" handguns, you have to own at least one .45.
July 8th, 2007 09:37 AM
Why I chose a 1911. The size of the grips fits better than a double stack. The thickness conceals more comfortably. It has a manual safety, short light single action trigger. Spare magazines are cheap. I can shoot it as good, if not better than a double stack.
Why .45 ACP? it is the most common caliber and magazines are cheaper,easier to buy.
for home defense or other applications , concealment is not a big requirement. Therefore I use a double stack pistol or rifle for other situations.
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson
Nemo Me Impune Lacesset
July 8th, 2007 09:39 AM
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
I think the signature line below from Ronald states it all. If only we could get the rest of our government who are "supposedly" for the people and by the people to understand this as well..
"...the Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’” - Ronald Reagan
July 8th, 2007 10:19 AM
The 1911 in .45acp is a great weapon, no doubt about that. Personally, I prefer 4" to 5" barrels on my 1911s but lots of folks enjoy the shorter models. I like the big, slow 230gr payload it delivers (in std. pressure), the SA trigger pull and the flat profile that makes concealed carry relatively easy and comfortable. No small consideration is the wide availabilty of spare parts and aftermarket accessories as well.
All that being said, as soon as my new holster arrives I'll be switching to a 9mm Glock 19. Nothing to do with any shortcomings of my 1911, it's strictly necessity due to my physical health problems - I need a lighter weight, lighter recoiling weapon. I'm not too happy about that of course but the 9mm is a capable round with the right ammo and the G19 offers 15+1 on tap plus extra mags of 15, 17 or 33 rounds depending on what I choose to carry.
This afternoon my wife and I are going out to lunch with her family. I'll be wearing a tucked in shirt so deeper concealment is called for. The .38spl J-frame will be either in my pocket or on my ankle with an extra speedstrip in my pocket. Not the most effective defense by any means but sometimes small and light is called for. I like having multiple carry choices on days like these.
July 8th, 2007 10:23 AM
For me I don't own a 45, yet!
If your going to do a lot of shooting and not reloading, then a 9 or 40 is much cheaper. My choice on a HD and main carry gun is a 40. I do believe the 40 is the best of both worlds.
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton.
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