New gun, first cleaning

New gun, first cleaning

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    New gun, first cleaning

    OK, newbie question. I bought a Kahr PM9 today at a gun show. It was sold as new. However, when I field stripped the gun tonight to clean and oil it, I was surprised by the amount of powder/residue inside the top of the slide, around the barrel, and at the breach face of the chamber. Is this typical for a new gun or have I been had? For what it's worth, I bought it from a rather large gun shop at the show.

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    I've bought a few new firearms, and never got one that looked like it had a great deal of powder residue in them. Typically they are test fired at the factory, and if something is wrong, they have to test it several times after they make a correction, but even that wouldn't account for a great deal of residue, especially with modern jacketed bullets. I have fired as much as 30 or 40 rds. of factory jacketed ammo through a clean gun and when I take it home and clean it, it is hardly dirty. I would be a little suspicious.

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    Michael ....... it does sound as tho the round count since a clean has been potentially in the hundreds ... as usually build up is fairly gradual. Hard to tell of course for sure without a pic.

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    gonna need to see it to tell ..

    you should see maybe a little discoloration but thats about it or little unburnt powder but not in the amounts you described

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    Thanks guys, here are some pics. What do you think?
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    Looking at them pics um no thats not new

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    I agree with Bud - heck that breech face sure ain't ''young'' IMO!

    Hopefully (optimist coming out) you may have in fact a happily 'broken in'' gun and find it performs flawlessly - hope so.
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    wow, I agree, definitely not new
    I hope it does perform flawlessly

    (might consider discussing this little gem with the gunshop that sold it too)
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    Yeah...I've got an MK9 I bought used--it didn't look that dirty. The barrel and inside the slide looks very used.

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    Deffinately used. I would be pretty peeved if it were me.
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    I agree with above that the gun is not new. It sure has been fired and the bore could use a good cleaning with a bore brush and some good bore cleaner.

    It's not great that you bought a gun as new that was not.
    But, that is no reason to dive into an "I've been ripped off." panic.

    What I would do is clean the slide and scrub the barrel and then relube and reassemble. Give it a very careful "look over" to make sure everything looks cool while you have things apart.

    Then I would shoot the firearm and see how it feeds and functions.

    If it functions well then you could probably already consider it to be "shot in" and suitable for carry.

    It's probably had a couple of hundred rounds put through it...for sure not thousands. It's A BIT grimy.

    Not a big issue really as long as it functions perfectly...don't forget to clean the insides of the mag/magazines before you test fire.
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    It's so hard to say. A lot depends on what ammo was fired in the gun. If it was Wolf the firearm could get that dirty after 50 + rounds.

    Some of what is in the slide on and around the run is old, dried oil.

    The breech face clearly sez...I've Been Shot Before but, the breech face can also look exactly like that in 50 rounds.

    The barrel tells me a bit more and and that's why I'd best guess a few hundred rounds.

    Can't be much more than that or the slide interior would probably look worse.
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    It's so hard to say. A lot depends on what ammo was fired in the gun. If it was Wolf the firearm could get that dirty after 50 + rounds.

    Some of what is in the slide on and around the run is old, dried oil.

    The breech face clearly sez...I've Been Shot Before but, the breech face can also look exactly like that in 50 rounds.

    The barrel tells me a bit more and and that's why I'd best guess a few hundred rounds.

    Can't be much more than that or the slide interior would probably look worse.
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    Hopefully they will compensate you some how. Thats just bad business! Weapon will prolly still give you years of good carry and performance tho.
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    I would take the gun back in and ask them how they could sell an obviously used gun as new.

    How much did you pay for it?

    Ask them if they will make it right by pitching in a case of ammo?

    If you have a good relationship with the store I would let them know that you do trust them as a dealer but this does need fixing. Talk to a manager and ask him how much he would pay for a weapon in that condition and then ask if he will make up the differance in store credit or something.

    If they tell you to get bent, report them to your BBB. I would then call the manufacturer of the firearm and talk to one of thier sales reps to let them know what kind of store they are selling to. May not do any good but most people I know don't like having thier products sold by shady buisness people.
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