PF9 vs P3AT

PF9 vs P3AT

This is a discussion on PF9 vs P3AT within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I have narrowed my choices to either the PF9 or the P3AT for primary pocket carry. I have read/ researched, and these two guns fall ...

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 50
Like Tree3Likes

Thread: PF9 vs P3AT

  1. #1
    Member Array Ghuqu2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    356

    PF9 vs P3AT

    I have narrowed my choices to either the PF9 or the P3AT for primary pocket carry. I have read/ researched, and these two guns fall in my size and price range. I currently carry a Taurus 850 CIA TI and it feels like an orange in my pocket. I am relatively new to CCW and wonder what others think of one Keltec vs the other. I prefer the 9mm, but the size/ weight issue for pocket carry is pushing me toward the P3at. Also many of the good reviews for the latest gen P3at also leads me in that direction. Unfortunately, I have held the P3at once, the PF9 never, consequences of living in a rural community. What are your impressions?
    Yes, I would definitely prefer the R9, or the PM9, but budget dictates the purchase.


  2. #2
    Senior Member Array cockedlocked01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    1,046
    It's easy to say go with the 9mm. If you already have a snub .38, & believe it's on par with a 9mm powerwise, then get the P-3AT. That way you can carry the snub when you want more power or maybe IWB/OWB (Like during colder weather). During the warmer months &/or when you're just making a trip down to the local stop & rob, you can carry the P-3AT.

    If you're looking for an all arounder, I'd recommend going with the 9mm, though.

    Really, it's what's you're most comfortable with.
    "Use human means as though divine ones didn't exist, and divine means as though there were no human ones." Baltasar Gracian
    Integrated Close Combat
    NRA Member
    Glock 19 & 26, Kahr CM9 & P45, Para P12, Kel-Tec P-32, S&W 442, & Dan Wesson 14-2.

  3. #3
    VIP Member Array obxned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    OBX, NC
    Posts
    2,655
    I own a P3AT, and have held and handled a PF9, but never shot one. On paper, the size and weight difference seems small, but side by side, the PF9 seems huge compared to the P3AT. My P3AT has been 100% reliable, and quite accurate. I would expect the same from the PF9. Both have KelTec's great warranty and customer service.

    I chose the P3AT because I needed something I could conceal in T-shirts and shorts or swim trunks. Pocket carry would not always be possible, and I don't like it anyway. The belt clip on the P3AT is perfect for this, and is not available for a left-hander on the PF9. That option on top of the small size and very low weight make it ideal for my purpose.

    However, the .380 is a bit of a wimp when compared to 9mm. The 380 fires a 95gr bullet at 955 fps for 190 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, while the 9mm producing 1190 fps and 362 ft/lbs with a 115gr bullet.

    Whether the .380 is 'enough' gun for you or not is something you will have to decide for yourself. Personally, I feel quite safe with the P3AT/.380 combination, but I carry an extra magazine, and practice enough so that I can place my shots where they are needed.
    "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

  4. #4
    Member Array Erich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    6000' above sea level - Albuquerque NM USA
    Posts
    370
    . . . side by side, the PF9 seems huge compared to the P3AT.
    I concur.

    Also, while I'm on record as saying that I feel fine relying on the .380 based on the more-than-a-dozen handgun killings with them that I've worked on (another one this week), I'm leery of the small P3AT sorts. I've chrono'd them pretty extensively, and they don't develop anywhere near the velocities one gets from "full sized" .380s. All of the killings I've seen have been with full sized .380s, so I feel the jury is still out on the minis.

    Best of luck with whichever you decide.
    Shot-placement is king. Adequate penetration is queen. Everything else is angels dancing on the heads of pins.

  5. #5
    VIP Member Array obxned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    OBX, NC
    Posts
    2,655
    Yeah, the velocity and energy figures I gave are from longer barrels than on either KelTec.

    Erich, can you give us some figures for the shorter barreled guns? My informal penetration tests (with FMJs) seemed to show only a small reduction in penetration between the P3AT and something with a PPK or Bersa length barrel.
    "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

  6. #6
    Member Array Freedz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Western PA
    Posts
    345
    PF9 gets my vote. I have shot both the the p3at and the PF9 and they are both excellent but for everyday the extra punch of the 9mm will be worth the extra size. Its still incredibly light and small for a 9mm and will conceal better than the taurus.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Array jeep45238's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    708
    I wouldn't call the KelTec 9mm a pocket gun by any means.
    cmb likes this.
    ~Mike F.
    http://www.ConcealedCampus.com
    http://www.a-human-right.com/
    "Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."

  8. #8
    Senior Member Array blueyedevil's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    615
    I have a PF9 and a P32, If you want a dedicated pocket carry gun go with the P3AT. You can stuff the PF-9 into a big pocket, but it's not really a true pocket gun. However it's real comfortable and hides well in an IWB rig. And that would be a much better Primary rig than a .380 in the pocket.
    cmb likes this.

  9. #9
    Member Array phaed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Fort Huachuca, AZ
    Posts
    453
    i have a PF9. if you aren't a big guy, you'll probably want the 3AT. the PF9 will fit in pockets as a pocket gun, but only just, and if your pockets are big.
    cmb likes this.
    War is not the ugliest of things. Worse is the decayed state of moral feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which he cares for more than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free. -J.S. Mill

  10. #10
    Member Array Ghuqu2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    356
    Thank you all for your responses. This pushes me even more to the P3at. I usually wear jeans or denim shorts so the pocket size is a limiting factor. How well do these guns take banging around in your pocket (w/ holster of course). Getting on equipment and bumping into things are common.

  11. #11
    Senior Member Array Roadrunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    NW PA
    Posts
    737
    I've got a P3AT and carry it in pocket occasionally. It's held up well.
    - Kurt
    “Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.” ~Pericles of Athens
    Primary Carry - Colt Commander .45 in a Brommeland Max-Con V

  12. #12
    Senior Member Array rachilders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Longview, TX
    Posts
    932
    I own a PF-9 and a P-3AT. As someone here already said, the 9mm is NOT a pocket gun unless you wear cargo pants or have very large pockets. For a comparison, the PF-9 is almost exactly the same size as a Bersa 380 (or a PPK), so if you can comfortably carry one of those in your pocket, you could carry the PF-9. If not and you want a true "pocket" gun, go with the P-3AT. I included a photo of my PF-9 next to my wife's 380 CC for comparison.

    OTOH, the PF-9 is small enough that with a decent holster, it's very easy and comfortable to carry on a belt. While the PF-9 carries the same number of rounds as the P-3AT, you get the extra punch a 9mm offers over the .380. One other thing, the early PF-9's had a lot of feeding problems due to using the same barrel as K-T's P-11. They modified the barrel around the first of the year (made the feed ramp longer) and the problems have stopped. If you get a PF-9, check to see which barrel you have. I also included a pic of both barrels so there is no confusion.
    Attached Images
    "... Americans... we want a safe home, to keep the money we make and shoot bad guys." -- Denny Crane

  13. #13
    Member Array muskiehunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Central MN
    Posts
    33
    I bought my P3AT so I could carry when I couldn't conceal my Glock 23. It has been great for that purpose and is a true "pocket gun".
    Muskiehunter-

  14. #14
    Senior Member Array FlyboyLDB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    GA
    Posts
    864
    I purchased a PF9 recently and not one issue so far. Shot it several times at the range. I have no problem at all carrying in my pocket. I use a pocket holster. Jeans are difficult - but casual dress Dockers or others work fine. I have looked at many sub compacts and the PF9, in my opinion, come out on top. In the same caliber I could not find anything lighter or slimmer. Plus it is a decent looking tool. From my understanding, the newer PF9s do not have the issues of the older models. Now it is not as fun to shoot as one of my Glocks or other firearms, but I feel the PF9 is more than adequate with the personal defense & ease of concealment this firearm offers. I either carry this or the Glock 27 for carry. I love my Glock, but it is sometimes hard to conceal. Loaded up with the Pow'r Ball +P ammo and I am good to go. jmo

  15. #15
    Member Array Erich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    6000' above sea level - Albuquerque NM USA
    Posts
    370
    Erich, can you give us some figures for the shorter barreled guns?
    I have that stuff at home, and I'm at the office now. I recall that was getting over 100 fps slower with the P3AT than with a P232. Hydra-Shok 90-grainers were 846 fps, IIRC. 95-gr Win USA ball was 819, I believe.
    Shot-placement is king. Adequate penetration is queen. Everything else is angels dancing on the heads of pins.

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Kel-Tec P3AT [MI]
    By Tubby45 in forum Member Buy, Sell & Trade
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: October 29th, 2009, 02:43 PM
  2. WTS: Kel-Tec P-11 and P3at [GA]
    By j21blackjack in forum Member Buy, Sell & Trade
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: August 17th, 2009, 10:29 PM
  3. P3AT or PF9
    By rf in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: February 1st, 2008, 07:43 AM
  4. IWB or OWB for a kel-tec p3at
    By cnova in forum Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: December 28th, 2006, 07:24 PM
  5. Kel-Tec P3AT .380
    By Huckster in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: June 19th, 2006, 01:31 PM

Search tags for this page

kel tec p32 vs pf9
,

kel tec p3at vs pf9

,

kel tec pf9 vs p3at

,
kel-tec p3at vs pf9
,
kel-tec pf9 vs p3at
,
keltec p3at vs pf9
,
keltec pf9 vs p3at
,
p32 vs p3at
,
p3at or pf9
,

p3at vs pf9

,
pf9 p3at
,

pf9 vs p3at

Click on a term to search for related topics.