Walther PPS review from the 1911forums

Walther PPS review from the 1911forums

This is a discussion on Walther PPS review from the 1911forums within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; http://www.1911forum.com/forums/show....php?p=1587355 Posted with permission from the author. Originally Posted by SA1911TRP for a long time now ive sought a "deep cover" gun that i could ...

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    Walther PPS review from the 1911forums

    http://www.1911forum.com/forums/show....php?p=1587355

    Posted with permission from the author.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA1911TRP

    for a long time now ive sought a "deep cover" gun that i could carry with confidence, and conceal with relative ease on light dress days. many weapons came close to being exactly what i wanted, but none fit all my needs. the closest i had come was the springfield EMP, but that it wont cycle +P loads ruled that one out. the g26 is a great weapon, but to thick for a pocket gun. many manufacturers build fine sub-compacts (and i own an XD sub-compact) but just like the g26 the dang things are thick as bricks. i was elated when i learned of the new walther PPS and i did a mad search trying to find one. about a week or so ago a dealer in missoula montana found three at a distributor and i promptly placed my order. i got a call today from my local dealer telling me that my new PPS had arrived. i dropped everything and left work with high hopes. :)



    i was quite surprised when i opened the shipping box to find what i believe to be the nicest factory carry case ive seen. the bright aluminum case is well constructed.



    the weapon comes complete with three magazines, an eight round, a seven round, and a six round with the only difference being the size of the finger rest. the eight round felt best in my hand, and the seven round was pretty decent too. i dont much care for the 6 round since it offers no finger support and i prefer a full grip, but i can see how it would be convenient for slipping into the front pocket. the weapon also comes with two backstraps. the smaller one fits smaller hands and gives you a more american grip angle. the larger one for larger hands gives you more of a european grip angle somewhat similar to glocks. the weapon also comes with an owners manual, a lock, a spent shell casing, and the target that the weapon was tested into.



    xd9 sub-compact beside the PPS



    glock 19 beside the PPS


    the PPS stands for "Police Pistol Slim and as you can see from the pictures, it is indeed slim. the weapon is so slim in fact that it felt awkward at first. the size is more closely comparable to a walther P22 than it is other sub-compact 9mms.


    at the range: i left the dealer where i picked up my weapon and headed to another dealer for some defensive ammunition (dealer #1 only stocks somewhat over-priced target ammunition). i got 80 rounds of corbon 115 grain +P (holy smokes this stuff sizzles at 1350 fps!) and 20 rounds of corbon 125 grain +P (dang respectable at 1250 fps!). i then headed over to walmart to pick up 400 rounds of 115 grain WWB. i raced to the range to beat dusk, and loaded up all three magazines with 115 grain corbon +P jhp. i selected my target and began shooting. the first thing i noticed was how hot the corbons were! i own several 9mms but typically shoot 125 grain corbons. this was my first time shooting the 115 grain versions and they almost remind me of 125 grain .357 sig corbon loads. once i got used to the recoil (wasnt bad) the weapon settled in nicely....until my 21st. round. after the 20th round the slide locked back and the slide lock wouldnt release. i put a mini-screwdriver in to leverage it a little and it released. i loaded up some WWB and after my first shot the slide again locked back on the slide lock and it would not release again. i unloaded it and inspected it and saw no damage. at this point i decided that its not a break-in issue and have decided to ship my new weapon back to walther for repairs. upon closer inspection it appears that the spring popped off the slide stop and is sitting underneath the slide stop lever preventing it from going down far enough to disengage. i could pop the spring back on, but if it came off after only 20 rounds it will surely come off again eventually and id rather walther make a real fix.

    what i like:

    - fit and finish appear perfect on this weapon. there is no visible flaw anywhere and i can usually spot something even if its a simple machine mark.

    - the size is perfect for concealed carry. you could stick this weapon dang near anywhere comfortably. the thickness (or lack thereof) is exactly what i was looking for.

    - the different size magazines make this weapon adaptable to any style of dress

    - asthetically this weapon is beautiful, although this doesnt matter at all to me.

    - the oversize magazine release works great.

    - the weapon feeds very smooth. no "clunk-clunk" when you release the slide.

    - recoil is almost non-existant. i expected the hot corbons to recoil more severly in such a little weapon, but the dual recoil spring did a great job soaking it up.


    what i dont like:

    - it broke! i know that any manufacturer can make mistakes on production weapons....even walther....and with this being an all new design growing pains are to be expected. still, im quite disappointed.

    - i dont much care for the backstrap safety. when you remove the backstrap it renders the weapon unusable. while this sounds great in theory, to me it seems like over-complicating the weapon, giving it an unnecessary failure point.

    bottom line: its to early to tell. ill ship the weapon off to walther for repairs and try again. ill update once i have my weapon back.

    i didnt mention trigger, and wont until ive had a chance to really try it out.
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    Please explain the backstrap safety. Is it like the 1911's grip safety, or does it merely prevent the PPS from firing with the backstrap removed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1C Lickey View Post
    Please explain the backstrap safety. Is it like the 1911's grip safety, or does it merely prevent the PPS from firing with the backstrap removed?
    From what I gather, Walther is promoting this as its "QuickSafe" safety. Basically, when the backstrap is removed from the grip, the gun is rendered useless and will not fire until the backstrap is reinstalled. It is not an actual grip safety like on the venerable 1911.

    Straight from Walther's site...

    Walther QuickSafe™
    Simply remove the QuickSafe™ backstrap — without it the pistol cannot be fired. Walther QuickSafe™ is maximum security made easy.

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    I put 200 rounds of white box and a couple magazines of remington +P thru mine coupla weeks ago without a hiccup. She functioned flawlessy. My brother is a big 9mm fan so I gave it to him in trade for the 40 cal appearing this fall. See this thread:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...&highlight=PPS

    We are going to the range again this weekend. I don't expect any problems, but I'll keep ya' informed.
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    I just wanna how much?, seems like the perfect CC weapon, but will probally wait till the 2nd generation.

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    Walther has the MSRP marked as $622.00

    Impact Guns is showing $580 for the 1st edition and $540 for the second.

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    To me, the gun is absolutely unattractive, but for THAT slim of a package, I think I could get used to it. If it has a decent trigger and sights. The curved ejection port is kind of nice looking. It looks about PPK/S thin. Anyone know if it's thinner than a Kahr 9?
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    What it looks like to me is the "single-stack, thin-slide GLOCK" I've been hoping would come along. And Walther quality (with P99 design basics) moves this pistol ahead of the Kel Tec single-stack 9mm. Please keep us caught up with your input about this pistol! It may be EXACTLY my next CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog View Post
    It looks about PPK/S thin. Anyone know if it's thinner than a Kahr 9?
    According to the Walther website, the pistol has these specs:

    Model: PPS
    Caliber: 9mm
    Length: 6.3"
    Height: 4.4"
    Width - Frame & Slide: 1.04"
    Barrel Length: 3.2"
    Sight Radius: 5.4"
    Weight (without Mag): 19.4 oz.
    Standard Magazine Weight: 1.9 oz.
    Action: Striker Fire Action, Pre-Cocked
    Trigger Pull: 6.1 lbs.
    Frame: Anthracite Polymer

    With a width of 1.04 inches in both slide and frame, the gun is thicker than the Walther PPK (I have one, and it is 0.80 inches thick in the slide and 0.90 inches thick in the grips). It is also thicker than 9mm Kahrs, which are 0.90 inches thick in the slide and about 0.95 inches thick in the grips.

    The PPS is also thicker than my .45 caliber Colt Defender with thin grip panels, which is 0.90 inches thick in the slide and 1.04 inches thick in the grips. So although the PPS is pretty thin, it is not the thinnest small auto out there.

    In terms of weight, the table above shows the PPS at 21.3 ounces empty. This is about the same as the old Walther PPK .380, a steel Colt Detective Special snubby, or a Glock G26. The polymer Kahrs in 9mm weigh a couple of ounces less than the Walther.

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    Not a lot bigger and heavier than the PF-9.
    TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
    Calibers: 9mm Luger 9x19mm
    Weight unloaded (no magazine) : 12.7 oz. 360g
    Loaded magazine : 2.8 oz. 81g
    Length : 5.85" 149mm
    Height : 4.3" 109mm
    Width : .88" 22mm
    Barrel Length : 3.1" 80mm
    Capacity : 7 + 1 rounds
    Zero malfunctions to date with about 250 rds. The price of <$250 makes me happy too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    What it looks like to me is the "single-stack, thin-slide GLOCK" I've been hoping would come along. And Walther quality (with P99 design basics) moves this pistol ahead of the Kel Tec single-stack 9mm. Please keep us caught up with your input about this pistol! It may be EXACTLY my next CCW.
    I don't see how it moves it ahead of the Kel-Tec. More $$$, more weight, more size. I like Walther - but I do not see it competing with Kel-Tecs - not that Kel-Tecs are the greatest gun around - but their 9mm PF9 targets a market that this Walther can't. jmo

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    Well........

    I am interested in this pistol, but I must admit I was more interested before I read this thread.

    Doesn't seem to have a whole lot to offer over some guns I already own. I need to handle one in the flesh.

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    Why would you break in a pistol with +P ammo??
    Last edited by kavity; August 2nd, 2007 at 03:54 PM. Reason: offended some people

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    Hey, Pogo2, many thanks for the measurements. Somebody mentioned a single stack Glock concept, that hits it pretty well. But again...give me a good trigger, at least as decent as a Glock. The 99 triggers I seem to recall trying were not what I prefer.
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    1. It's Ugly

    2. It's a "PC" gun ( take a piece off to make it "safer" )

    3. Instead of improving a tested and true model like the PPK , they
    had to "reinvent" the 9mm pocket pistol.

    Thin and light are not the ONLY requirements for a carry gun.
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