First Time Poster with two questions - making a purchase today

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    First Time Poster with two questions - making a purchase today

    I have narrowed my choice of a firearm to two choices:
    Sig P229 or HK USP Compact and in the end I guess it will come down to what just feels the best as it seems that both have an equally loyal following and both seem to have a lot of strengths.

    As far as being a CCW what are the strengths and weaknesses vs the two?

    Question 1 -
    9mm vs 40S&W... I know this would seem a no-brainer but my wife will be picking up the same weapon at home when I am away (I am an airline pilot and am away for days on end).

    I worry that a .40 is just too much recoil for her, but by the same token I want to be able to go into memory mode when I fire this weapon if/when the need comes up.

    Am I worrying too much about this and should I be willing to do a .40 for me and a 9mm for the house(wife) or just do 9mm all the way around?

    Question 2-
    I live in Florida so there are many occasions when shorts and a t-shirt are the order of the day. Granted I wear shorts with a belt, but are small-of-the-back holsters good enough for concealment. or would an inside the pants model be better? How are the inside the pants ones for comfort?


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    You and your wife sound somewhat new to shooting, but I could be wrong. If I'm not wrong, then I'd recommend the 9mm instead because your practice ammo will be so much cheaper. Shoot, shoot, shoot, and then shoot some more! A 9mm modern hollow point is just as effective as a 40, in my opinion. Shot placement is more critical, which comes with lots of practice..

    But then, if you're an airline pilot, the cost of ammo might not be a big issue for you...

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    From another FL resident I would say go with the IWB with a sweat shield, but only from a good holster craftsman. I carry in an Andrews McDaniel II all day here no problem. SOB does carry some back injury risks and for me, at least, it's a little slower on the draw.

    With a little practice .40 should be no problem but then there's nothing wrong with a 9mm either. I've seen some pretty petite ladies handle 44 mags. All in the training and practice!
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    USP 40c vs. Sig P229

    Quote Originally Posted by rgreenpc View Post
    I have narrowed my choice of a firearm to two choices:
    Sig P229 or HK USP Compact and in the end I guess it will come down to what just feels the best as it seems that both have an equally loyal following and both seem to have a lot of strengths.

    As far as being a CCW what are the strengths and weaknesses vs the two?
    I own both of these guns in .40 caliber. Both are well made, reliable and accurate. The physical dimensions are quite similar, and they will fit in some of the same holsters. One big difference for CCW is the weight, as the USP 40c weighs about 24 ounces empty, while the Sig P229 weighs 32 ounces empty. This starts to feel significant over the course of carrying the gun for several hours. The extra weight of the Sig is probably an advantage when shooting the gun, however, as it handles the .40 caliber recoil a little better than the USP.

    My bottom line is that I would rather carry the USP but rather shoot the Sig.


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    I would go with 9mm myself based on your background.

    I would not recommend SOB (Small of the Back) because the gun is directly over the spine and if you fall on it bad things can happen. I would suggest a normal IWB canted at 15 degrees and in 3 to 4 o'clock.

    Also, a good bang for your buck would be buying (in addition) a 22LR semi-auto pistol. Why? You can learn all the same mechanics of the gun, cheap to shoot and will minimize the possible flinching learning by starting with a larger caliber. Suggest a Walter P22.

    Congrats on taking your own safety into your hands. Hope this helps.
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    rgreenpc.....Welcome aborad!

    Q1: I've owned a P229.....wonderful gun to shoot and very manageable....for me. I've heard very few negitive words about the USP, but I have no experience with that firearm. I recommend finding a range/shop that'll rent/loan each of the guns, get some ammo, and you and your wife take both of 'em for a "test drive". You both will get a pretty good idea of what's best for the both of you......but be warned, once you go down this road, you'll forever be sucked into the "dark-side" and within a year a couple more firearms will "follow you home", for you and your wife.....then you'll purchase a safe with plenty of room.....then you'll need to fill that room with more.....it's a nasty cycle.

    Q2: I love Comp-Tac's MTAC leather/kydex IWB for carry during the summer heat (I live just up the road in SE Georgia).......but holsters are worse for following you home than the side arms and you may end up with a drawer full of holsters before you find that "perfect" one. Take a look at the "holster and accessories" forum and you can make a positive step into what's looks/sounds good to you.

    My opinions are just worth .02....but It might be a good start.
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    Cool

    Personally I think 9mm is sufficient, especially if your wife plans on using the same gun. Ammo is also cheaper and the quality of the self defense ammo that is on the market today is excellent.
    I also recommend considering getting seperate pistols for each of you. If you decide to get a CCL you will both be able to carry. Also, a pistol is very personal to ones hands. For you to carry or feel comfortable using it, it must 'fit' your hands. Go to your local gun shop and do some hands on 'window' shopping.
    Then if you do carry on your hip, make sure you get a quality belt and a quality hoster. It will make a difference.
    The 229 and the USP you mention are both fine quality weapons. You can't go wrong with either. One thing I might add is that the USP just does not 'fit' my hand. As far as yours or your wifes's, it might or it might not. Recommend looking also at the HK P2000SK, especially for the wife. It has backstraps that can be changed out to more personalize the grip.
    Lastly, I recommend that if the store you go to has any of the recently imported HK PSP's that have hit the market that you look at one of those. There are some great deals on what many consider is one of the best quality and safest handguns ever made. If I sound biased, it's because I am. That's what I carry. Drawback is that they are not light since they are made from solid high quality steel.
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    Get what fits. However your wife may find a different gun fits her better. If she is to shoot and carry a gun , let her pick what fits her best. Even if it is a different caliber, brand ,type of gun.
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    I have never fired a P229, but do own a couple of other Sig pistols. A friend of mine has a USP in 9mm. It is a nice pistol, but just not my cup of tea. He loves his HK as much as I love my Sigs.
    I would definitely go with 9mm. Ammo is a lot cheaper and that means you can practice more. There is all kinds of hype out there about the various calibers, but when it is all said and done we are still talking about hand guns and the difference at the receiving end is not going to be that noticeable. Either caliber will do just fine as long as you put it where it needs to go. As far as the weight difference goes, it's six of one half a dozen of the other. The lighter weight might be a factor for you as far as carry, but the heavier gun will attenuate the recoil more, and theoretically allow faster follow up shots if needed. The heavier gun may also be more comfortable for extended range sessions. If you do decide to buy multiple guns, I would recommend getting two of the same system. They don't necessarily have to be the same caliber. You could get a .40 for yourself and a 9 for your wife if you like. I have three different Sig pistols in two calibers. They all work the same. The controls are all in the same place. I just have to make sure I have the correct magazines with me when I leave the house. Trying reload a P220 or P226 with a P228 magazine could make for a very long afternoon.

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    Not to confuse the situation, but as someone previously mentioned, take a look at the P2000. I have small hands and the P2000 fits my hand like a glove. Much better than the USPc. The advantage the P2000 has over the USP is that the slide is thinner (their website specs are misleading) and it has the interchangeable backstraps for grip. It is available in 9mm & .40

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    I'm NOT fanning the embers of a caliber flame (they happen around here pretty regularly) but ammo technology (powders, bullet design, etc.) is increasingly making the 9mm?.40S&W?.45 ACP? debate less & less significant. I've heard, read & followed all the arguments and between size, capacity, weight, speed, penetration, recoil, follow-up shots, expansion, etc., etc...it's simply a jump-ball. Between the 9mm & .40S&W it's even closer. Get the 9mm.

    As for brand/model selection, nothing is more subjective or generates more fierce loyalty and/or complete contempt. Both you and your wife should handle (ideally rent & shoot) any pistols you're considering. The two pistols you've mentioned are of premium quality with a well-deserved reputation of excellence. But there are lots of pistols meeting that criteria. If you'll take your time there WILL be one that both of you shoot & say "yeeaahhh, THIS is the ONE". Buy that one. Then both of you get some top-flight instruction & practice, practice, practice.

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    As noted above I would go with the 9mm. It is cheaper to shoot and not as snappy recoil wise.

    Practice will make all the difference not caliber size. IMO there is not that much difference between 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP with mordern hollowpoints. All 3 will perform if we perform correctly.

    Carry options are many and varied. I am not a fan of SOB carry, because you risk sweeping yourself with the muzzle when you draw and possible injury in a fall.

    IWB strongside a 3-4 o'clock is much better IMO. Plus you can look into a tuckable IWB,Smartcarry, Bellybands and other carry options.
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    Thanks for all of the help folks, as well as giving me another firearm to look at... (ok disregard the thank you on that one for now )

    My wife and I are going Friday to a local range/store in the Tampa area to "rent" the various guns, and I have confirmed they have the P2000 as well (but not the PSP).

    Perhaps I will try the 9 and 40 in one gun and then just try one ammo size on the others. Its not as much of an issue for me as I am more concerned with my wife, but I did talk to a female FHP office today and she uses a 40S&W and she isn't "much" bigger than my wife, so there is hope. I think its more a psychological issue for her more than anything.

    Her carry will be in a purse but as she is a state employee, she can't have the weapon at work on her person or in the car so her carry will be limited to weekends and travel. Mine will be 24/7 pretty much.

    I do have two more questions now though...

    1. Lasermax internal laser - thoughts?

    2. Load choices for personal defense - I haven't used or even held a firearm a few years (ok, more than a few) but back in the day hydroshock was all the rage. What is the "best" round currently?

    I want to testfire the rounds I intend to use so that I have an accurate comparison.

    Ok... actually 3 questions... which of the (now three) pistols is better for day-to-day concealed carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgreenpc View Post
    Load choices for personal defense - I haven't used or even held a firearm a few years (ok, more than a few) but back in the day hydroshock was all the rage. What is the "best" round currently?

    Ok... actually 3 questions... which of the (now three) pistols is better for day-to-day concealed carry?
    If the three you are considering are the Sig P229, the H&K USP compact and the H&K P2000, I would personally go with the H&K P2000SK, which is the compact version of the P2000 that holds about 10 rounds. The 9mm vs. .40 caliber choice is your call, based on trying each one - they both work if you can shoot accurately. I think the P2000SK would be the easiest of the three to conceal and carry all day (I have handled the gun but not shot it).

    As for ammo, the current thinking is that Federal Hydrashocks are more prone to plugging up on clothing and not expanding properly than some other choices. Good current choices might include Speer Gold Dots or Remington Golden Sabers. If you are in .40 caliber, I personally like the 155 grain bullet with muzzle velocity of about 1200 fps - it will give you 500 foot-lbs. of muzzle energy.

    Here is the H&K P2000 SK:


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    Please update us on which gun(s) you ultimately select. As far as ammo goes. My preference is for Corbon DPX, Speer GoldDots, and Winchester Ranger-T.
    I carry Speer GD Short-Barrel 180gr in my P2000, and Ranger-T 124gr +p in my G19.
    This is info taken from Tactical Forums...

    The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:

    9 mm:
    Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
    Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
    Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)

    .40 S&W:
    Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
    Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
    Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
    Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)

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