S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding

S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding

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Thread: S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding

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    S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding

    First of all, I understand that this is completely a matter of personal opinion, I would just like some input of your personal opinion and why, especially if you have shot both guns.

    I am purchasing a .357 snub for pocket carry. I already own a S&W 642 CT but would like a .357 for pocket carry. I am having trouble deciding between the two. So far, here are the pluses and minuses of each that I can think of at the moment:

    S&W Model 60 Chief's Special .357 2 & 1/8 inch barrel:

    + Made from forged steel
    + Smooth action, great stock springs
    + Edges are finished well
    + I can change out my 642 CT grips onto a new Model 60
    + ~22 oz, so not to heavy but heavy enough to handel .357 loads
    + Conceals in my pocket just as easily as my 642, just a little heavier which I do not mind
    + I can put my CT on the S&W

    - Has the lock
    - Does not have the safety feature where on the Ruger the gun will not fire from SA without the finger on the trigger
    - Slightly shorter barrel than the SP101


    Ruger SP101 2 & 1/4 inch barrel:

    + Build like a tank, though made of cast and not forged steel
    + I like the build aesthetically slightly better than the S&W, I like the lug under the barrel too
    + ~25 oz which is a little heavier than the S&W, but will handle .357 slightly better
    + Slightly longer barrel than the S&W = more powder burn and more velocity from the .357 load

    - Rugged edges, which aren't as smoothed out as the S&W
    - Trigger pull is not as nice stock as the S&W IMO
    - I can't put my CT laser grip on the Ruger


    I do not know much about the difference in the extractor rods between the two. So far, this is what I have found. I have done a ton of research about these two models, though for some reason I can find more about the SP101 than the S&W. Is there anything that I am missing or that would make my decision a little easier?

    Thanks!
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    Last edited by kashton; October 20th, 2007 at 02:19 AM.


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    Tough choice, both are great guns.

    I think I would go with the SP, with a few light mods.
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    Ruger any day of the week, and twice on Sundays! If you're going to pocket carry an all steel .357 Magnum I'm assuming you have big pockets and a good belt. If so, the 3 oz difference won't make much difference. The gun is stronger. The barrel length will not make any difference at all, sorry. Barrel/cylinder gap and chamber dimension difference will have more effect on velocity than an extra 1/8" longer barrel. If you need to pistol whip anybody, the Ruger will do a better job of it too!

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    S&W model 640 without the lock

    Between the Ruger and the S&W I would go with the S&W because of its better trigger and smoother finish. But rather than the model 60, which has an external hammer, I would get the internal hammer model 640, to avoid snagging in pocket carry.

    I figure if you have to use this gun you will be shooting double action at very close range, and the option of thumb cocking the revolver for a single action shot is not really necessary. So the double action trigger pull is all important, and the S&W trumps the Ruger in this regard.

    I would also put short, two finger boot grips on the gun to make it easier to hide in the pocket. And I would look for a lightly used older model to avoid getting the S&W internal lock. I hate those locks and personally would not buy a gun with the lock, as they remind me of Bill Clinton.

    Here is a photo of a 640 I saw on the Internet:


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    this is a hard one. both are good and will do the job. i carry a model 60 as a "bug" on the job, so to me a would go with the s&w. but this is a hard one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    Between the Ruger and the S&W I would go with the S&W because of its better trigger and smoother finish. But rather than the model 60, which has an external hammer, I would get the internal hammer model 640, to avoid snagging in pocket carry.

    I figure if you have to use this gun you will be shooting double action at very close range, and the option of thumb cocking the revolver for a single action shot is not really necessary. So the double action trigger pull is all important, and the S&W trumps the Ruger in this regard.

    I would also put short, two finger boot grips on the gun to make it easier to hide in the pocket. And I would look for a lightly used older model to avoid getting the S&W internal lock. I hate those locks and personally would not buy a gun with the lock, as they remind me of Bill Clinton.

    Here is a photo of a 640 I saw on the Internet:

    Thanks! That is a gorgeous gun. I hadn't even considered the 640. What is so bad about the lock if I am never going to use it?

    How would I find a pre-lock 640?

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    Based on my experiences with Smith & Wesson reliability and durability I'd choose the Model 60 over the SP101. I honestly don't want a gun that is built like a tank. The S&W is more refined.
    Last edited by bmcgilvray; October 20th, 2007 at 04:41 AM.

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    I have almost decided, and as of right now, I am leaning towards a new S&W Model 640. What do you think?

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    I've had a 640-1 357 since the year they came out with them in the early/mid 90's or thereabouts.

    It's a gun that will not be sold, among guns that have come and gone constantly over the years.

    Here's mine, used/carried and still ready to defend after a lot years set up just like the picture. Berami hip grip, Tyler T finger grip, both been on the gun since right after I bought it.

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    S&W model 640

    Quote Originally Posted by kashton View Post
    Thanks! That is a gorgeous gun. I hadn't even considered the 640. What is so bad about the lock if I am never going to use it?

    How would I find a pre-lock 640?
    I'm glad you are considering the 640 as an alternative. The best sources for used guns are:

    - www.gunbroker.com
    - www.auctionarms.com
    - www.gunsamerica.com
    - the classifieds sections of various gun chat sites
    - local gun shows

    I am biased against the S&W internal revolver lock for several reasons:

    - Practical - the locks have been known to accidently go to "locked" status while shooting, which temporarily disables the gun and can get you killed.

    - Symbolic - the lock symbolizes excessive gun control and anti gun hysteria to me, hence my reference to Bill Clinton, the former intern molester in chief.

    - S&W hypocrisy - S&W sells semiautos without the lock, so why is the lock required on revolvers?

    - Redundancy - there are simpler and easier ways to secure a revolver than an internal lock - for example, in a safe.

    - Consumer preference - rather than forcing the lock on all revolver buyers, why can't S&W offer two versions of the guns, with and without lock, so consumers can choose?

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    Owning both (though the 60 is in .38 special) I have the following thoughts on your dilemma.

    I shoot. I shoot a alot. Especially with my defensive handgun. That said the Ruger, especially with full house magnums, will have a much higher longevity then a gun made for .38's and modified to accept .357. Theres no getting around that. That was the reason I always wanted a SP101.

    That said a 60...its natural habitat is a small pocket. That where it lives and feeds and raises its young. But a 101 is just big enough to make pocket carry difficult if you have small pockets.

    I am a bigger guy, and I have bigger pockets amd as such no issue. Try them both...!

    Lets put it this way...now that I own a Ruger...I still carry both!!!

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    Cast another vote for the Ruger sp101. I have been carrying the sp101 for about 2 years now. It is my primary ccw, which I carry comfortably concealed while dressed casually or in a suit, 12 months of the year.
    Last edited by greyhound1; October 20th, 2007 at 09:11 PM.

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    The 60 is a bit smaller and would be a good choice for pocket carry. I carry a 642 in the pocket for backup. The SP101 rides strong side IWB.
    Good luck with your choice. I don't think you can go wrong with either.

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    I will probably be going with the S&W 640 .357.

    I just went to the range yesterday and shot the S&W 340PD .357 and it kicked quite a bit, my hand still has some raw spots on it. It definitely wasn't impossible to control though so I am not worried about a 23 oz gun at all now.

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    Here you go. I went to the range yesterday and shot a 340PD with full magnum loads:




    Lots of fun but my hand still hurts from 40 rounds lol.

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