S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding
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Ruger SP101, 2 & 1/4" .357
S&W Model 60, 2 & 1/8" .357
October 19th, 2007 08:34 PM
S&W Model 60 .357 or Ruger SP101 .357, I need some help deciding
First of all, I understand that this is completely a matter of personal opinion, I would just like some input of your personal opinion and why, especially if you have shot both guns.
I am purchasing a .357 snub for pocket carry. I already own a S&W 642 CT but would like a .357 for pocket carry. I am having trouble deciding between the two. So far, here are the pluses and minuses of each that I can think of at the moment:
S&W Model 60 Chief's Special .357 2 & 1/8 inch barrel:
+ Made from forged steel
+ Smooth action, great stock springs
+ Edges are finished well
+ I can change out my 642 CT grips onto a new Model 60
+ ~22 oz, so not to heavy but heavy enough to handel .357 loads
+ Conceals in my pocket just as easily as my 642, just a little heavier which I do not mind
+ I can put my CT on the S&W
- Has the lock
- Does not have the safety feature where on the Ruger the gun will not fire from SA without the finger on the trigger
- Slightly shorter barrel than the SP101
Ruger SP101 2 & 1/4 inch barrel:
+ Build like a tank, though made of cast and not forged steel
+ I like the build aesthetically slightly better than the S&W, I like the lug under the barrel too
+ ~25 oz which is a little heavier than the S&W, but will handle .357 slightly better
+ Slightly longer barrel than the S&W = more powder burn and more velocity from the .357 load
- Rugged edges, which aren't as smoothed out as the S&W
- Trigger pull is not as nice stock as the S&W IMO
- I can't put my CT laser grip on the Ruger
I do not know much about the difference in the extractor rods between the two. So far, this is what I have found. I have done a ton of research about these two models, though for some reason I can find more about the SP101 than the S&W. Is there anything that I am missing or that would make my decision a little easier?
Last edited by kashton; October 20th, 2007 at 02:19 AM.
October 19th, 2007 09:08 PM
Tough choice, both are great guns.
I think I would go with the SP, with a few light mods.
October 19th, 2007 10:00 PM
Ruger any day of the week, and twice on Sundays! If you're going to pocket carry an all steel .357 Magnum I'm assuming you have big pockets and a good belt. If so, the 3 oz difference won't make much difference. The gun is stronger. The barrel length will not make any difference at all, sorry. Barrel/cylinder gap and chamber dimension difference will have more effect on velocity than an extra 1/8" longer barrel. If you need to pistol whip anybody, the Ruger will do a better job of it too!
October 19th, 2007 10:24 PM
S&W model 640 without the lock
Between the Ruger and the S&W I would go with the S&W because of its better trigger and smoother finish. But rather than the model 60, which has an external hammer, I would get the internal hammer model 640, to avoid snagging in pocket carry.
I figure if you have to use this gun you will be shooting double action at very close range, and the option of thumb cocking the revolver for a single action shot is not really necessary. So the double action trigger pull is all important, and the S&W trumps the Ruger in this regard.
I would also put short, two finger boot grips on the gun to make it easier to hide in the pocket. And I would look for a lightly used older model to avoid getting the S&W internal lock. I hate those locks and personally would not buy a gun with the lock, as they remind me of Bill Clinton.
Here is a photo of a 640 I saw on the Internet:
October 19th, 2007 10:59 PM
this is a hard one. both are good and will do the job. i carry a model 60 as a "bug" on the job, so to me a would go with the s&w. but this is a hard one.
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
Red State State of Mind
October 20th, 2007 01:58 AM
Thanks! That is a gorgeous gun. I hadn't even considered the 640. What is so bad about the lock if I am never going to use it?
Originally Posted by pogo2
How would I find a pre-lock 640?
October 20th, 2007 03:37 AM
Based on my experiences with Smith & Wesson reliability and durability I'd choose the Model 60 over the SP101. I honestly don't want a gun that is built like a tank. The S&W is more refined.
Last edited by bmcgilvray; October 20th, 2007 at 04:41 AM.
October 20th, 2007 03:54 AM
I have almost decided, and as of right now, I am leaning towards a new S&W Model 640. What do you think?
October 20th, 2007 04:35 AM
I've had a 640-1 357 since the year they came out with them in the early/mid 90's or thereabouts.
It's a gun that will not be sold, among guns that have come and gone constantly over the years.
Here's mine, used/carried and still ready to defend after a lot years set up just like the picture. Berami hip grip, Tyler T finger grip, both been on the gun since right after I bought it.
The mind is the limiting factor
Quick Kill Rifle and Pistol Instructor
October 20th, 2007 08:30 AM
S&W model 640
I'm glad you are considering the 640 as an alternative. The best sources for used guns are:
Originally Posted by kashton
- the classifieds sections of various gun chat sites
- local gun shows
I am biased against the S&W internal revolver lock for several reasons:
- Practical - the locks have been known to accidently go to "locked" status while shooting, which temporarily disables the gun and can get you killed.
- Symbolic - the lock symbolizes excessive gun control and anti gun hysteria to me, hence my reference to Bill Clinton, the former intern molester in chief.
- S&W hypocrisy - S&W sells semiautos without the lock, so why is the lock required on revolvers?
- Redundancy - there are simpler and easier ways to secure a revolver than an internal lock - for example, in a safe.
- Consumer preference - rather than forcing the lock on all revolver buyers, why can't S&W offer two versions of the guns, with and without lock, so consumers can choose?
October 20th, 2007 10:44 AM
Owning both (though the 60 is in .38 special) I have the following thoughts on your dilemma.
I shoot. I shoot a alot. Especially with my defensive handgun. That said the Ruger, especially with full house magnums, will have a much higher longevity then a gun made for .38's and modified to accept .357. Theres no getting around that. That was the reason I always wanted a SP101.
That said a 60...its natural habitat is a small pocket. That where it lives and feeds and raises its young. But a 101 is just big enough to make pocket carry difficult if you have small pockets.
I am a bigger guy, and I have bigger pockets amd as such no issue. Try them both...!
Lets put it this way...now that I own a Ruger...I still carry both!!!
October 20th, 2007 05:36 PM
Cast another vote for the Ruger sp101. I have been carrying the sp101 for about 2 years now. It is my primary ccw, which I carry comfortably concealed while dressed casually or in a suit, 12 months of the year.
Last edited by greyhound1; October 20th, 2007 at 09:11 PM.
October 21st, 2007 12:38 AM
The 60 is a bit smaller and would be a good choice for pocket carry. I carry a 642 in the pocket for backup. The SP101 rides strong side IWB.
Good luck with your choice. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
October 21st, 2007 04:31 PM
I will probably be going with the S&W 640 .357.
I just went to the range yesterday and shot the S&W 340PD .357 and it kicked quite a bit, my hand still has some raw spots on it. It definitely wasn't impossible to control though so I am not worried about a 23 oz gun at all now.
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