Well almost! Both are 3" 1911 carry 45's with slim carry grips (stock on the SA and Chip McCormick's on the Kimber). Just got the SA Micro off Gunbroker for $750. Looks almost NIB, pretty sweet deal (2 mags and 2 grips as well). The Kimber Ultra I got a few weeks ago NIB for $1039. They both are shooting NICE! Only thing I don't like on the SA is the nub that sticks out from the grip safety. You have to hold onto these little 45's firm or they cause limp wristing. The nub starts hurting the hand.