S&W internal lock questions

S&W internal lock questions

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    S&W internal lock questions

    I'm considering ordering a S&W model 60 in .357,but am a bit put off by the internal lock the gun comes with. I've read that these locks can lock while shooting the gun. Has anyone had this happen or know of anyone who has? Is the lock alone reason enough not to buy one of these guns? Is there anyway to disable or remove the lock? thanks.


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    Does Smith offer them without the locks? I know they offer the M&Ps without locks and mag safeties.

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    Hello. The only S&W new revolver I'm aware of w/o the lock is the Model 40, an all-steel hammerless with a grip safety.

    I have never personally had an S&W revolver with the lock malfunction, but that's probably because I don't own any after seeing two new ones engage the lock while their owners were firing them. One was an aluminum-framed Airweight in .38 Special (Model 642). The other was an AirLite .357 Magnum snub though I do not remember the Model number on that one.

    I am sure that but a tiny percentage of these revolvers malfunction but such statistics mean little should it happen in a time of need. I suspect that the majority of revolver owners with the lock have no problems but I prefer not to accept that admittedly tiny risk.

    Others may very well feel differently.

    Best.

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    It is very easy to remove the lock arm (the little flag) once you learn how to remove the hammer.

    Once removed, the weapon is perfectly acceptable to carry. Both of mine have been so modified.

    And no, I am not concerned with what any lawyers will say about it. It is a storage lock that does not make the weapon any less safe in use and any halfway competent lawyer can argue that. Smith&Wessonforum.com has a thread where people have first hand reports of the lock arm activating during recoil, particularly on lightweight, hard recoiling revolvers.

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    Opinion of S&W revolver lock

    I find the S&W revolver lock to be offensive and insulting:

    1. It reminds me of the Clinton Administration and S&W's sellout, a bad memory.

    2. The fact that S&W does not offer the guns in 2 versions (with or without the lock) indicates their arrogance and indifference to their customers' wishes.

    3. It is superfluous on the gun, as there are many other ways to lock a gun if you wish. Personally, I use a safe in a locked room.

    I own 5 S&W revolvers and none of them have the lock.

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    Here is a thread from another forum on internal lock induced failures (ILIF).
    http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/for...04/m/228102718
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    Carry the key, don't drop it, make sure it is off
    after firing full house loads, do not get an air weight
    and fire heavy loads.
    Any firearm can malfunction at ant time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Carry the key, don't drop it, make sure it is off
    after firing full house loads, do not get an air weight
    and fire heavy loads.
    Any firearm can malfunction at ant time.
    Some of the reported self-locking episodes have been extremely difficult to unlock with the key as the lock arm has set itself somewhere in between fully up and fully down.

    The 100% answer is don't buy a new S&W revolver or buy one and remove the lock arm.

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    I currently have 18 S&W revolvers. None made after 2001. I won't have ANY new S&W products till they offer a choice of lock/no lock.

    I've personally seen one lock up on it's own at the range, a 329 I think is the model number. It was the ugly scandium N frame 44. It locked up with the hammer back over a live round. The range officer had to take it apart.

    IMHO, the internal lock is reason enough not to purchase. For a range only gun, I don't think it's as important. For a carry gun, or home defense gun, it is unacceptable.

    There are too many nice pre lock S&W revolvers available to settle for one of the current offerings. Good luck. Regards 18DAI.

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    That is a lot of rules for a defense weapon ! That is an unnecessary malfunction.

    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Carry the key, don't drop it, make sure it is off
    after firing full house loads, do not get an air weight
    and fire heavy loads.
    Any firearm can malfunction at ant time.

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    It's unnecessary baggage and I won't have a "lock" version of a S&W revolver. My revolvers will never malfunction because of the lock.

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    I wonder why Smith revolvers all now have locks but you can purchase the M&P with or without? Doesn't make sense to me from a liability standpoint which I assume is why the revolvers all have locks.

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    I hate locks and won't buy one.
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    Hades will freeze over and pigs will fly before I buy a S&W revolver with an internal lock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudpeak View Post
    I wonder why Smith revolvers all now have locks but you can purchase the M&P with or without? Doesn't make sense to me from a liability standpoint which I assume is why the revolvers all have locks.

    Cloudpeak
    Excellent point, I won't buy the lock version of the s&w revolver as (the only one)available now.

    I also heard that Ruger is going to have internal locks on their revolvers soon as well.

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