S&W revolver question

S&W revolver question

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    S&W revolver question

    Hey all, I need to pick some brains on revolvers. A range I shoot at pretty often just replaced their revolver rentals, something they do yearly I'm told. They now have all the old rentals for sale for seemingly fair prices. A .357 with a 3" or 4" barrel caught my eye, they wanted like $360 for it. I didn't fondle it as I knew I'd have a problem putting it back Being a year old, it does have the lock, which doesn't seem to popular around here. They seem to take pretty good care of their rentals, though I didn't do a real check over of it (I do, however have a rough idea what to look for). Thoughts on this revo? Do I go back, give it a once over and assuming its good grab it? Or is a seemingly good rental still a bad idea? Better off looking around for a pre-lock version? Given its size, I don't plan on it being a carry weapon, I just want a revolver haha.



    Thanks in advance for everyones thoughts!
    Edit- after looking at pics, I *think* its a 620 stainless, not 100% though on that.


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    The S&W Model 620 is a stainless steel 7 shot .357 Magnum built on the L frame, with a 5 inch barrel. It was introduced in 2005 and is still produced. MSRP was $699.00.

    Yes, it has the internal lock, and on that basis alone, I wouldn't buy it, but that's just me.


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    The fact that it was a rental wouldn't put me off. It would just be broke in and should be smooth. It's that lock. No S&W revolver that I own will ever have a lock related failure because none of them have a lock. Perhaps it would be better to spend your money on any of several older used models that feature the goodness of having no lock.

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    I agree, I will not own any S&W revolver with the lock!! I prefer well preserved old stock revolvers.

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    I'd hold out for a pre-lock,personally.

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    Ditto, on holding out for the pre-lock.

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    I dont let the lock stop me from purchasing new Smiths.. I'd say get it. If its only a year old, it is probably still in great shape even if it was a rental. I got a new model 520 (pretty much the same as the 620 just blued w/different sight) for almost 600.00. In your case the price is right.

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    I'd hold off and shop around.
    #1...because of the lock
    #2...because a used revolver is still a used revolver no matter if it's had 500 rounds put through it or 50,000 and you should be able to find a good second hand one that was not a rental...AKA carried a lot and shot very little and you'll probably be better off in the long run for it.

    There is a NIB 620 on GunBroker for $559. Buy It Now
    and an "As New" for $449 Buy It Now.
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    S&W w/Lock Help

    Forgive me as I'm still learning here but what is it with the lock issue?
    I bought a 642 this summer that came w/lock and I never engage it.
    To me it's a non issue. Is it a different type lock than what's being discussed here? Please help me understand. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jframe38 View Post
    Forgive me as I'm still learning here but what is it with the lock issue?
    I bought a 642 this summer that came w/lock and I never engage it.
    To me it's a non issue. Is it a different type lock than what's being discussed here? Please help me understand. Thanks.
    It has been a non-issue for me but it serves no purpose. I don't engage it..it gives me no problem. I'm guessing people who have experienced trouble are those with small J frame revolvers.

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    There have been more than a few reports of the lock (S&W calls it an ILS) engaging itself under recoil. This has occurred with several models but it seems to happen more ofter with the airweight and airlite guns. Personally, I will go without the revolver if it has the ILS. Just one more mechanism that could mess up when I need it the most. I usually look for "retired" PD revolvers. There a ton of them available (Gunshows, CDN, RGuns etc) and I don't remember paying more than $250 or so for revolvers that are in great shape. Besides, who knows exactly what happens to rental guns? I would pass on that offer. But, thats just me. Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jframe38 View Post
    Forgive me as I'm still learning here but what is it with the lock issue?
    I bought a 642 this summer that came w/lock and I never engage it.
    To me it's a non issue. Is it a different type lock than what's being discussed here? Please help me understand. Thanks.
    Jframe,

    We are all discussing the same lock that came on your 642. Here is a thread discussing failures on another forum: http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/for.../228102718/p/1. S&W denies there is any problem. American Handgunner writer petty Charlie....I mean, Charlie Petty wrote an article criticizing the S&W Forum and said there's nothing to worry about. His buddy Michael Bane just had a lock-related failure recently. No word on a retraction from Charlie...

    I suggest you really think it through before jumping to any drastic conclusions, as there are many people out there who have never had a problem. However, for me, these folks create enough doubt for me to not trust it. My take is that a revolver without a lock is absolutely guaranteed to NOT have a lock-related malfunction.

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    Edited to add--ILS haters seem to fall into 3 categories: the people who think it looks bad, the ideologists, and the reliability people.

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    Talking

    Thanks for your replies already. This certainly is something to think about. Interesting link from Herknav. I'll probably keep the 642 for a BUG but now I'm in the market for a nice semi. Deciding on either a SIG 229, Glock 19, S&W compac M&P and HK USPC.
    No wife here either. Makes decisions fun. Last year I went out to buy a palm tree and came home with a new guitar.
    Then I bought the tree a week later.
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    If you can get a good enough price on a used revolver, it's my understanding that any decent locksmith can disable the lock at a reasonable price. Since disabling it is not altering or disabling a safety device but simply deciding to utilize a different gunlock, it should be a non-issue. I wouldn't pass up a great price over the lock.

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