Shortest single stack, SAO 1911 in .45ACP? (grip lenght/height, not barrel lenght)

Shortest single stack, SAO 1911 in .45ACP? (grip lenght/height, not barrel lenght)

This is a discussion on Shortest single stack, SAO 1911 in .45ACP? (grip lenght/height, not barrel lenght) within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; So far I have found Para's Slim Hawg, at 4.5" in height. Link: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=35 Any others out there that are shorter in height?...

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    Question Shortest single stack, SAO 1911 in .45ACP? (grip lenght/height, not barrel lenght)

    So far I have found Para's Slim Hawg, at 4.5" in height. Link:

    http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=35

    Any others out there that are shorter in height?
    Last edited by cagueits; December 2nd, 2007 at 05:42 PM. Reason: Forgot to specify in .45ACP


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    I dont know the measurments but check out a Colt CCO a defender and new agent also from colts

    Springfield ultra carry and a Detonics they are supposed to be back in bizz again.

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    4.5" beats a Detonics by 1/4". The Para and the Detonics are both shorter than any of the Colt products listed above. (All of them have the same grip.)

    Having said that, I looked at this pic (about 1/4 down the page): http://ezine.m1911.org/POslimhawg_frame.htm

    If the squares are 1" squares (as Hawkmoon says they are), then the Slim Hawg is at least 5" tall. It almost touches the 1" line and hangs over the 6" line. To me, it looks to be a full 5". They must have measured it without the sights or something screwy like that.

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    Any others out there that are shorter in height?
    Not that I know of. When I saw the title of the thread, I immediately planned on suggesting the Para Slim Hawg - until I saw that you had already investigated it.

    I don't think they get any shorter than that - well, not unless you want to go custom, that is . Take a look at these two:

    http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos1/STLTH3.htm

    http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos1/STLTH1.htm

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    Detonics Combat Master is close

    The Detonics Combat Master is 4-5/8 inches high (4.63 inches), according to this review article:

    Detonics Combat Master review article



    I just measured my Colt Defender and it is exactly 5.00 inches high, which includes the height of the rear sight. The Colt New Agent does not have sights which protrude 1/4 inch over the frame like the Defender, so the New Agent must be 4.75 inches high.

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    Check out S.T.I.'s LS9 and 40@: http://www.stiguns.com/index.html
    if you don't have your heart set on 45.

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    Utilizes new, ST designed, linkless barrel lockup system.
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    All lower and trigger group parts except the mainspring, mainspring housing, and grip panels are "1911" compatible.
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    Caliber 9 m.m. and .40S&W
    Frame STI compact, steel, STIppled front strap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    The Detonics Combat Master is 4-5/8 inches high (4.63 inches), according to this review article:
    Thanks, pogo. I just googled "Detonics height" and got several articles that said, "4 3/4" (one by Walt Rauch). Upon looking again, I found an article that says 4.5", so yours is probably right. It's amazing how few manufactures list that specification, and how different people can measure and get different answers.

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    Bud, Thanks for sugesting the Detonics; I had heard the name before, and frankly thought it to be a race gun for IPSC - it is far from that. Heres a link to a Gunblast review:

    http://www.gunblast.com/WBell_DetonicsCM.htm

    Herknav, I was just looking at that article and catched the same detail.

    Piglet, nice guns on the link you gave me. Have you ever handled any of them?

    Pogo, thanks for the quick measurements.

    N.M., thanks for the link/info; I forgot to specify caliber - .45ACP.

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    Ok, found one shorter that the Detonics Combat Master.

    I posted the same question over at the M1911.org forum and I was told to look at Cylinder & Slide's Adventurer. So far it is the shortest semi-full grip 1911 in 45cal out there - 4 3/8" in height and 5+1 rounds. Here are a few pics of it.

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    DETONICS USA is Out Of Business. The Detonics doors are closed for the duration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    DETONICS USA is Out Of Business. The Detonics doors are closed for the duration.
    Oh Nooo...say it isn't so....again..................guess my 2 older Combat Masters are that more valuable...GREAT guns no matter what..
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    QK Shooter/Class3NH--Might I suggest DETONICS for your reading pleasure. This pistol's got more lives than Wile E. Coyote. It's still Detonics USA, but it's moving to the St. Louis area on the Illinois side of the river. New owners, but Jerry Ahern is still involved.

    I don't believe they've started cranking out pistolas yet.

    caguetis--You're absolutely right. I wasn't thinking about that price range. Oops!

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    Thanks Herk......I've owned my first MK V since around 1980 when they were first introduced......The other one I own, came full turn around when I found it at a Gunshop I currently work for......sooooo thus I have it (the MK IV) as well as the original one a bought years ago...........
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    The shortest 1911 ht wise is a Cylinder & Slide "Adventurer".

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    Just to let you guys know, Detonics appears to be back in business. Heres their webpage again. Their short DNX Series looks like a good candidate also. The website states theres some leftover inventory being sold (some magazines and a few pistols), you may want to check out their dealer: Zanders (search for Detonics on their website's search engine).

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