Will a .45cal.pistol incapacitate as effectively as a 9mm pistol?

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    But did he fire six shots, or only five?

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    There are two service calibers that have been proven effective over time, the rest are niche calibers. The two reliable proven man stoppers are the 9mm and the 45 Auto. Everyone else serves a niche. The 357 Magnum is the only proven man stopping revolver cartridge over time. The rest just fill the voids.

    It is my strong opinion that anyone armed with a 9mm, 45 Auto, or .357 Magnum doesn't anything to fear and can be of the utmost confindence in the cartridge performance to get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro 40 View Post
    But did he fire six shots, or only five?

    He used 44 Specials with 240gr wadcutters to keep the recoil down. Dirty Harry's gun was never loaded with 44 Magnum. The gun was a 44 Magnum (6-inch M29) but he always used 44 Spl ammo.

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    To quote a cliche I read somewhere..."If you put two in the chest and one in the head the caliber really doesn't matter"... You could get a beretta px4 w/17 or 20 9mm jhp rds or a sig 226 sct w/20 rds of 9mm jhp or a springfield XD with 13 rds of .45 acp or a ruger mkIII with 10 rds of .22hp ..they will all put a damper on your opponents day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    He used 44 Specials with 240gr wadcutters to keep the recoil down. Dirty Harry's gun was never loaded with 44 Magnum. The gun was a 44 Magnum (6-inch M29) but he always used 44 Spl ammo.
    Actually, he used blanks....or else there would be a lot of dead actors over the span of 5 Dirty Harry movies!

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    Over the many years I have had one acquaintance and two friends killed by shots from a .25 auto. Does that make the .25 an effective combat round? Hardly. But it certainly does demonstrate that any caliber can do the job if the bullet finds the right spots. But that isn't the point of the discussion. In a service sized pistol, I'll take a .45 acp. If it is for off duty or personal carry, I want as small and light as I can get and still have a respectable, controllable. caliber. For me that is a 9mm. But still, shot placement is critical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesnofoa View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro 40 View Post
    But did he fire six shots, or only five?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro 40 View Post
    But did he fire six shots, or only five?

    Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    True, but don't forget that a .45, if carrying the same number of rounds, will be heavier than the 9mm and might pack more wallop. The tradeoff is that you'll get slightly less distance with the .45.

    And don't even get me started on full-length shotguns.
    I agree. And my Para 16-40 Ltd. (with 17 roulnds of .40) would have much greater impact.
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    They're both quite adequate with good defense type ammo. What's more important is where did you shoot the perp. A .45 in the toe is not as good as a 9mm between the eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    There are two service calibers that have been proven effective over time, the rest are niche calibers. The two reliable proven man stoppers are the 9mm and the 45 Auto. Everyone else serves a niche. The 357 Magnum is the only proven man stopping revolver cartridge over time. The rest just fill the voids.

    It is my strong opinion that anyone armed with a 9mm, 45 Auto, or .357 Magnum doesn't anything to fear and can be of the utmost confindence in the cartridge performance to get the job done.
    One qualifier, and this will probably start another sibling rivalry:
    The advantage of a 9mm is velocity. If you are of the "LIghter-and-Faster" school of thought, then the 185 gr .45, or the 115 gr 9mm, should do you equally well, as the energy of each (from a math/physics perspective, at least) are nearly equal.
    If you are of the "Heavy-and-Slow" school (me!), you may be happier with the standard 230 gr .45 or the 147 gr 9mm.
    In the middle are the 200 gr .45 and the 124 gr 9mm.
    If your gun is rated for it, you can get the "+P" in any of these configurations (worth it, IMHO) for a little extra "ummphph!).
    That being said, since my two main carry guns both carry "7+1", I carry the 1911 when I can, and the PF-9 the rest of the time. I just feel that, numbers and round counts being equal, I'll choose the bigger "hole." Sometimes I'll carry my CZ75 (9mm, 16+1) if there's no way to carry a reload, but I can carry a larger gun; or if I'm travelling and need to pack all I can in the least space (same size/weight as my 1911).
    If I thought I might really need one, I'd stay home.
    Just another perspective; no real "answers" to offer.

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    But the point is most every load in either 9mm and 45 Auto will get the job done. Time has proven this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    But the point is most every load in either 9mm and 45 Auto will get the job done. Time has proven this.
    The only thing time has proven is that people will never stop arguing about caliber, despite the documented incidents of failure with every handgun round, and documented incidents of success with every handgun round.

    They all work sometimes, and they all fail sometimes. You pays your money and you takes your chances......
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    But the 9mm has been killing people since 1902 and the 45 Auto has been doing it since 1905. Very few calibers used today have that kind of track record.

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