Used PM9 - over 3000 rounds thru it - how many more?

Used PM9 - over 3000 rounds thru it - how many more?

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    Used PM9 - over 3000 rounds thru it - how many more?

    I just purchased a used Kahr PM9 that has been very well worn in. According to the previous owner he's put somewhere over 3000 rounds through it and he'd gotten it used so it may have thousands of more down the barrel. It's got it's share of wear marks, scratches, & scuffs. All the marks I don't mind as long as it works accurately & reliably. The only thing the previous owner said he fixed on it was a broken recoil spring around round 2800. After buying it I put about 100 rounds through it with out any issues.

    My question is - Is there anyone out there with a PM9 that has multiple thousands of rounds through it? How many? Have you had any issues that another high mileager should be aware of? Extractor? Ejector? Trigger spring?

    I really like the gun and so far it's been a smooth shooter. I want to be prepared if anything goes wrong with it.
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    Well, Kahr will flat out tell you that it's a gun designed to be "carried a lot, shot a little". I'd venture that with that kind of round count, it is probably in need of a complete rebuild, and maybe a new barrel - but YMMV, of course. Take it to a gunsmith you trust and have him look it over, or send it in to Kahr and get their opinion.

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    Generally its about a 10,000 round gun before it needs to be completely rebuilt. With that said I know people who have over 15000 rounds without rebuilding it and the gun works fine. It all depends on what kind of loads were shot threw it. I think Chooie hit it on the head when he said get a gunsmith to look over it.
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    Check out the Kahr forum on glocktalk.com. Several folks there with 10,000+ flawless rounds through their PM9's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chooie View Post
    Well, Kahr will flat out tell you that it's a gun designed to be "carried a lot, shot a little". I'd venture that with that kind of round count, it is probably in need of a complete rebuild, and maybe a new barrel - but YMMV, of course. Take it to a gunsmith you trust and have him look it over, or send it in to Kahr and get their opinion.

    I agree and disagree Chooie. Your right that the Kahr is ment to be carried a lot and shot less but only cause it is probably not the most comfortable gun to shoot, the PM's anyway with the short grip. But no way does the gun need a new barrel, I know of several glocks and 1911's that have 50k, 75k on them that are close but still the barrels are good. All I would do is detail strip, clean, change all springs and inspect the gun real good, shoot it for function and carry it if that all checks out.


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    Run it 'till it wont go anymore. Buy some spare parts now, so you will have them when you need them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dec 06/Jan 07 issue of Handguns
    Author Duane Thomas writes:

    "When you make a full-power auto pistol this small, especially with a polymer frame, you severely impact long-term durability. Kahr's not fooling anyone; the company will flat-out tell you the PM9 is a 6,000 round gun."
    I always tend to err on the safe side, but am not surprised to see PM9's go out to 10k+ rounds before rebuilding.

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    I have a P9 and had some peening at the base of the barrel. I emailed Kahr and the sent me a brand new barrel. If it's less than five years old and you think it might have problems I would contact Kahr customer service. My experience with the was outstanding.

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    Thanks for all the good advice. I'll also check out glocktalk.com and see what their experience is.
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    Feedback on the Duane Thomas article...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chooie View Post
    I always tend to err on the safe side, but am not surprised to see PM9's go out to 10k+ rounds before rebuilding.
    FYI The Duane Thomas article you quoted was challenged by several of us readers. He later retracted his statements because he misinterpreted what Kahr told him. Kahr's VP of Sales weighed in on the subject too. The 6000 round issue was related to how many rounds Kahr uses to test the handgun not what its service life is.

    I think your impressions are right on target. The PM9 is capable of lasting a long time.

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    Well, any time you buy any used firearm you should really look it over methodically and very carefully. Preferably under a bit of magnification.
    Replacing the recoil spring outright in a pistol is usually a good idea and then lubricate the firearm properly. Doing that is cheap insurance.
    Function check it.
    Check and make sure the ejector or damaged is not loose and look closely at the extractor hook and make certain that is not damaged or chipped.
    Clean the magazine interiors - check the mag feed lips.
    You should not need a new barrel after 3K rounds.
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    The only issues i have seen with Kahrs are that you need to replace recoil springs every 2k or so , and mag followers may go south which wont affect function in the gun but can basicly unload a mag when carried as a spare . Kahr will warranty the followers if this becomes an issue .
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    I'll go ahead and order some spare parts to have on hand. So far it's been 100%. I plan on putting a few hundred more rounds through it to double check everything and just for the fun of it. It's definitely a lot more fun to shoot than my old P3AT and not too much bigger!
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    From the April/May 2007 issue of Handguns Magazine (page 6):

    "Duane Thomas' recent article "Right Sizing for Concealed Carry" (Dec/Jan) cited incorrect information regarding the Kahr PM9's service life. The article stated that the PM9 has a service life of approximately 6,000 rounds. The article should have reported that Kahr Arms performs durability testing on all new polymer models of between 5,000 and 6,000 rounds. The actual service life of Kahr pistols is far beyond the 5,000 to 6,000 rounds of durability testing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo_79 View Post
    I think your impressions are right on target. The PM9 is capable of lasting a long time.
    Yup... Tough Guy Levi over on Glock Talk in the Kahr forum frequently posts about his 12,000+ round PM9. He's a firearm instructor, too. Only recently did he have some malfunctions that were completely fixed with some new springs. Not too shabby for a small "plastic" pistol and no "major" parts had to be replaced. Semi-auto pistol springs are consumable items...like tires and brake pads...they all wear out with use.

    I love my PM9 and I have just over 4000 rounds through mine and she still shoots great! Went home to Arizona over Christmas and blew through 500 rounds of WWB (value packs) and dumped a bunch of old carry hollowpoint (Hydra Shok and Cor Bon) ammo from my other 9mm pistols through the PM9 without a single hitch. And mine's an early manufactured one to boot. It's loosened up enough that slingshotting the slide is no problem, even with hollowpoints. No need to use the slide lock to drop the slide and prematurely wear out the slide notch.

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