This is a discussion on What do you love about the 1911??? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bud White Cant help ya with carry mode concern as it never bother me no more than carry a glock with no ...
+1 Tubby, but I will add that its heavy - so good for pistol whipping.
I heard this quote from another student who had attended several Gunsite courses and was there for a CCW renewal. Two Glock carrying instructors that overheard agreed and joined our discussion. Don't get me wrong, I love my 1911s, but I feel in a really bad situation, I'd prefer a high cap, durable, reliable and plenty accurate double stack Glock over any single stack 1911. And, yes, I know the 1911 has been in every war this century so please save the time and don't go there. Not that it's hard with the 1911, but the Glock design does field and detail strip much easier and spare parts are pretty cheap.
That being said, both are good designs and I carry either for regular daily CCW. It's nice to have choices and they are different platforms that achieve the same purpose. Some prefer trucks and some prefer sedans...they'll all get you from point A to point B.
It must have been long after Col. Cooper was gone.
"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper
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I didn't read all the posts but just two items to add which may have already been addressed.
Toward the capacity issue a 1911 chambered in 9MM will support 9 rounds +1 from a standard/GI length mag. A 1911 chambered in .45 ACP can be had in round counts from 8 (normal is 7) up to 10 rds. +1. The magazine length is extended of course but not so badly that concealment and carry is not possible.
I carry and conceal 8 and 10 rd. magazines in my 1911s. The last week I've been carrying everywhere IWB a full size 1911 with a _ten round_ magazine and have had no problems at all. I even hugged my wife, who is anti, and she did not hit or tap anything which is one of my own concealed carry test methods.
Further one can carry a standard mag in the gun and then bring a ten rounder as a backup. Yesterday carrying a double mag holder I had on my person all day a full size 1911 (Sig GSR w/rail), a 10 rd mag +1 in it, and two backup mags of 10 rds. each. A total of 31 rounds of .45 ACP all worn under a light material pullover V type neck sweater.
With a tight to the body fitting mag holder(s) and a good IWB holster the 1911, atleast in my own case, can be just as if not nearly as capable in total round count as any other. I do not see round count capability as a point of issue in a functional way.
The other item being weight, many modern 1911s are made of lightweight materials including aluminum alloys and S&W has their 1911SC/PD made of light and very strong & durable Scandium metal matrix. So light that even as loaded it's possible and even easy to forget it's there for medium to even long multi hour durations.
I see no reason to compromise because I want something lighter, carries more than eight rounds or because I am too lazy to do routine cleaning.
Heavy - Not when it is protecting my life.
Capacity - If eight rounds of well-placed .45 doesn't do the trick, my problems are a lot bigger than 15 rounds would solve.
Reliability - With routine cleaning, my 1911 is as reliable as any mechanical device can be. Without routine cleaning, my 1911 is as reliable as any mechanical device can be.
Condition One - I have NEVER heard of a 1911 firing without any outside influence while cocked and locked.
Cooper also used to completely rebuild his 1911s after 2500 rounds and no longer carried them once they hit 5000 rounds. That, I know and do remember from attending the Gunsite course and reading some of their history.
Learned on the GI issue 1911 back in 78 when I entered the US Coast Guard and carried it till our transition to the M9 in 1989. Actually scored better with the M9 over the 1911 even with the larger grip.
Bought my first SA in 1990 with the better sights, made a few mods and shot the same course for qualification. Scored better with the SA. Gun just fits my hand better and lines up right every time. Might be a little slower on my times with good ammo but first shot goes where it should if I do my part every time.
Gun is super easy to conceal with right holster and not the least bit worried over carrying cocked and locked as I have complete trust in it. As I stated before on this forum if by my negligence it is taken away from me, most of the punks on the street these days are going to squeeze the trigger for a long time with no BANG, thus giving me a chance of retrieving my weapon.
As far as ammo goes carry Wilson 8 rd. mags with a spare so don't think I'm short on firepower. JMO
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Well the question was ; What do you love about the 1911? My first love was its looks, it was a 'real' gun. It caries well and is balanced just right (5 inch). Very easy to carry concealed. It was tested well in 3 wars before I got mine. That last thing I love about the 1911 is it is an old friend and is always true.
Lima's post +1
You gotta get on these threads fast if you want to make good points before Lima does!
How it fits my hand.
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It just feels so awesome in your hand... Here's mine.. It's vintage 1918 army, but was refurbished by the Colt factory by my father in law when he owned it in the 80's.. Hense the the non standard finish and grips..
Here's a pic I took for size comparison with my Beretta 418... Nothing says "bang" like a 45... But they do have their drawbacks..
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