The Final Nine; but which one? Or do I have it?

The Final Nine; but which one? Or do I have it?

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    The Final Nine; but which one? Or do I have it?

    Need some help folks. I'm winding down on my CCW purchases. I don't expect to buy but a few more handguns and then that's about it. I've settled on 9mm as my primary caliber although I have a .45 and some .38/.357's and even some .380's but 9mm is my core round.

    I currently own a Kahr P9; 8 rounds, excellend shooter (well maybe a little more muzzle flip than I'd prefer), perfect reliability, accurate. The grip can print just a bit depending on the position and how light my cover is.

    So, I bought a Kahr MK9; 7 rounds (gave up one) I love it, the weight makes it enjoyable to shoot, it's accurate, good looking. I carry it IWB so weight isnt a problem and it conceals better than anything I own. But I wouldn't mind a few more rounds and maybe the benefit of SA. So, I've been thinking about buying my "Final Nine". I have small hands so I have to have a single stack and I need a compact size because I'm slender so I don't get poked by the longer lengths. So I'm considering the Springfield EMP as the final 9.

    It has the 9+1 capacity, is compact, should shoot better since it's single action. I've looked for other single stack 9mm but haven't found one with that blend of compact size, thin, 10 rounds, etc. I did look at a SIG single stack 9 and liked it but it was a bit thick in my hands. I also found that the S&W M&P compact 9 fits me well and has a great capacity of 12 but it's way too thick for me to carry IWB.

    So I'm thinking of getting the Springield EMP as my final 9. That would become my EDC while a full size Springfield Mil Spec .45 would do home duty giving me common manual of arms.

    I'd keep my S&W J frame, SP101, Keltec P3AT and the two Kahr 9's for other times/occassions when I need to go with pocket carry.

    I've always wanted to carry an officer's .45 but after shooting my .45 1911 full size (which I love to do ) I have to be honest with myself that I can shoot faster, better with a 9mm any day of the weak, especially when I try to shoot fast.

    So, what to you think? Would the EMP be a good choice for my Final Nine? Is there something out there with the same combination of factors' I could consider? I know the EMP is pricey but it is my Final Nine so that's okay. Is it a real problem if I move back and forth between a 1911 format and an S&W J frame in the pocket? Up till now I've tried to keep all of my carry guns as DAO w/no safeties...

    Anyway, thanks in advance for your time and thoughts!


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    The EMP should work just fine. You said it yourself.....it fits! That's the majority of the issue. You mentioned some really good pistols in your selection process, yet you returned to the EMP. I'd love to have one and anticipate buying a 9mm within the year. Contrary to you, I shoot my .45 better, faster than any other pistol or caliber (except my old Beretta 84, .380 wherever she is).

    Go with what fits & feels the best. I think the EMP is a great choice, especially given your size. It isn't about any of us, it's about YOU! Enjoy your "final 9."
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    Well, if you don't already have a 1911 in 9mm, it's certainly a "hole" in your collection.

    I have to admit, I've been lusting after an EMP for awhile now, so it would sure be on my short list!

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    Ha, from the title I thought you had your next gun selection narrowed down to nine choices!

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    I purchased a Springer EMP about a year ago and it is a great carry weapon. Two others choices that you may wish to consider are the Kimber Aegis and the ParaOrdnance PDA (personal defense assistant). The Kimber and the Springer both have traditional single action triggers, while the Para employs what they call a light double action trigger. Good luck in purchasing your "final nine" (famous last words).
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    I'm not the biggest Springfield fan but even I wouldn't mind an EMP! It sounds like you really, really want one so I say scratch that itch and be done with it. Final Nine....sure...for now.

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    I do have to be honest and admit that I simply love the look/feel of a 1911 so the EMP really does "float my boat", but I'm also trying to make sure I've covered the ground. I once purchased a Walther P22 (I know, I know) just becasue it was so cool looking to the child in me and I rationalized that it would be a good trainer for my children; well I was fortunate and mine is VERY reliable but it really serves no purpose.

    So on this I want to be sure I've thought it through. And, let's face it, that's a LOT of money so I can't affort to get it and be disappointed!

    I looked at the para and didn't like it to well as far as fit and I didn't care for the trigger. I've never seen the kimber in a store so I might have to look again at that?

    As for "final nine"; I really mean it this time! I have to stop sometime, just can't keep going...

    So, 10 rounds, compact, thin, single action, quick reload and sized for a guy like me, and with the bonus of being a 1911 format...anything else out there like it?

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    Besides the Aegis, I know STI makes some small, light 9mm on the 1911. I have no experience with them, though. You might want to go to 1911Forum - Powered by vBulletin and check that forum over for more info on the EMP or similar pistols.

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    I've been accumulating, carrying, and shooting handguns for well over fifty years. I have sold several and pared my number of handguns down to a mere 75 or so. I have tried to beat the gun addiction several times, but I was never able to stay on the wagon for more than a year. I wish you much success with your intention to kick the habit.

    I can tell you want the EMP, so I think you should go ahead and get it. But I also think you already have the best 9mm available for EDC. Your MK9. It is small enough but too heavy for pocket carry, but otherwise, it is about perfect. I think the last thing you should worry about is a greater mag capacity. After all, it is no chore to carry a second magazine.

    The 1911 platform is a favorite of mine. I can therefore easily understand the attraction the EMP holds for you. But I must confess that I worry about folks who use SA pistols as their carry gun. In a high stress situation, it is terribly easy to press that SA trigger when you don't intend to do so. And few people train enough to keep their finger off the trigger until they mean to shoot. Believe me, when that gun comes out in a tense moment, the finger is going to be on the trigger and the safety is going to be off in the majority of situations.

    To underscore the point, law enforcement did not go to semiautos until good DA autos were available. Very few departments even thought about using the 1911 despite its many advantages. And in the military the requirement was to carry the 1911 with an empty chamber even in a combat zone. Of course, nobody paid any attention to the requirement in combat, but it was there.

    So if you know how you'll behave under great stress and if you are confident in your level of training, the 1911 platform is great for carry, but for the vast majority of CCW folks, the DA or DAO is probably the better choice. You have to decide which is best for you, not at the range but when the SHTF.

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    "I'm winding down on my CCW purchases" Dream on!

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    Gideon, I've never used an EMP so I can't comment on it. But I would advise you to shoot one before you buy. You said: "I've always wanted to carry an officer's .45 but after shooting my .45 1911 full size (which I love to do ) I have to be honest with myself that I can shoot faster, better with a 9mm any day of the weak, especially when I try to shoot fast." You need to try the EMP to see if the difference is really the 9mm vs. the .45 or the 1911 format vs. the Kahr. I have nothing against 1911s in fact I really like them and shoot them well, but not everybody does. Before investing in the EMP shoot it to make sure it does what you want.

    Like several others I would also suggest looking at other 9mm 1911 guns. Someone mentioned STI, the Guardian and the Escort are small format 1911s available in 9mm.
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    I think you oughta round out your collection with a Para 1911 type LDA. Amazing triggers....and such a sweet gun.
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    Do you wear spandex tights or something? If you can't properly conceal a M&P Compact IWB, that's a wardrobe issues imo.
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    Sammy...
    I can conceal a full size 1911, however, it's easier and far more comfortable if I carry something more compact and equally thin/flat. I'm 5'7", 157 lbs, no love handles, nothing. So the bigger the weapon (especially thickness and grip size) I carry the more challenging it becomes. The main "cover" garment I wear is a suit coat that is made out of a fine material that hangs well but shows bumps well. Also, because of my size, a 5" barrelled 1911 presses nerve endings in my hip area. I can get past this if I use 20% of cant, however, then the barrel actually pokes out against the back of my trousers. So yes, I can conceal an M&P if I desire but it's thickness relative to my waist size of 33" means it's sticks out more on me than it would on a guy who's 6' and 210lbs.

    I may also be more sensitive than some regarding what is considered "acceptable" printing since I'm a pastor and feel stongly that I don't want any of the congregatio to know I carry. Probably every one of them would be fine but I don't want that distraction for even one who might be concerned about it.

    So I've found that a compact single stack helps my grip as well as helping with the "ease" of concealment. I admit I'm also trying to make this reasonably comfortable so I will carry consistently.

    So the EMP gives me what I want here but also gives me 10 rounds. At present I don't have a carry gun that gives me that many rounds while also giving me the other features I've mentioned. I'm also thinking the SA trigger and nominal recoil will help me to be a better shooter.

    I am willing to work with my wardrobe but I'm trying to blend/balance all of these things for the best overall choice.

    And did I mention I love how 1911's look, feel, shoot, etc?

    I went to a store today and looked at other possibilities. I looked at a SIG, a Tarus, and a Para Ordinance. They were okay but none had as many of the features as the Springfield although the Para was quite nice.

    I'm still weighing out whether I should try harder to learn to shoot a true officer's sized 1911 in .45. I once shot a friends Colt officers model. I loved that gun but haven't seen anything like that one (even used) for many years. it had a 4" barrel and officers frame. I remember it being heavy and I shot it "ok". Kimber makes a CDP compact that's basically an officer's size but I don't like the colored parts or the extreme melt job. I also don't like it's silver plastic MSH but do like the checkered front strap.

    I looked hard at the Colt New Agent but I just don't like how it looks without more conventional sites.

    So I'm still thinking this one out. I WISH Springfied would offer a true officer's sized 1911. They did years ago and I even looked for one of those used but haven't found one.

    Anyway, I'm pretty convinced that there aren't many choices out there with the blend of features that the EMP has.

    I really appreciate all of the inputs. There's a lot of smart folks on this forum who've learned a lot over the years and I appreciate your time. I'm going to look again at 4" officers model .45's. I've considered the 3" like the SA Micro .45 but my research as turned up so much bad on them!

    Well, thanks again all!

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    That makes a lot more sense. You can have suit coats tailored so they are let out slightly where the pistol would be. It might be an option for you. For me, the real strength of the 9mm is the high capacity you can get in a relatively small handgun. Not that I see much difference between the calibers, but it's nice to have more in the mag. So, I would look into options to get higher capacity. Tailoring might fit that bill since you can't really alter your mode of dress.
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