Oh no... the day is coming
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February 8th, 2008 12:43 AM
Oh no... the day is coming
I turn 21 in a week. I've saved up 1,000 dollars to spend on gun, holster, belt and some ammo. I know i want a gun that will eat anything and that is super reliable. I'm pretty sure I want .40 cal, or do i want 9mm (i shoot .45 just fine, but $$$$$$$) I can't decided between Glock 23 and XD40 4" or a Sig or save up a bit more and get an HK. If you guys were just turning 21 and were buying your very first EDC gun, what would ya get, and why. I've shot em all, now the hard part is making up my mind... didn't think it would be this hard.
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February 8th, 2008 12:47 AM
Hmmm, I'd buy a G19 or a 229 in 9mm.
Why? Proven. Easy to get and plentiful parts. Tons of holster and other aftermarket choices. Carries easy, but you still have plenty of ammo on board and fullsize ability. 9mm is cheaper to shoot, and you will need to shoot a lot and should be enrolling in some advanced training, and nobody is going to convince me a heavier caliber is needed.
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February 8th, 2008 12:49 AM
I'm a firm believer in dryfire practice, and the Sig is your only DA option listed (that I'd consider, HK is nice but too much $$), so I'd go with the sig to practice dryfire, including cycling and practicing clearance drills with dum-dums. My first EDC was a Beretta and having the DA option really helped me get fast.
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February 8th, 2008 01:24 AM
That's really a question only you can answer. There are so many good CCW's available.
If you're concerned about ammo prices then I'd stick to 9mm.
You'll need some more loot if you go SIG so prolly one of the plastic guns like a Glock 19 would be a good start.
What have you tried? Maybe it would help you to go shoot some of the guns you think you like?
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February 8th, 2008 01:49 AM
I'm way over 21 but I was in the same situation last year. January of 2007, I decided to get a gun for home defense and plinking. I was looking at a USP compact in .40 but eventually went home with a Sig P229 9mm. I bought the Sig, which I paid over $900 with night sights and tax and $5 NICS call-in (what the hell was I thinking????)
Anyway, my point is that I went in there really decided on the USP compact but went home with the P229 coz I really felt better in my hand and it shot like a dream. Make your decision based on what feels good to YOU, in the end you are the only one who can tell which weapon is right for you. I would strongly recommend renting the test firing before making your purchase.
However, based on your post here's what you can get for $1000. A HK is really not outside your budget if you get it from the right place. CDNN seems to have the best prices on HK's so far.
P30 - $730 from CDNN (around $35 for the FFL transfer fee to your local dealer)
Holster - around $80 - $120 from reputable holster makers (Milt Sparks, UBG, etc.)
Belt - approx. $70 from the Beltman
Total: around $955 (the rest you can but 200 rounds or 9mm from Walmart)
A Sig P226 or P229 would run you close to this amount. Again, these are just suggestions, go with what feels good to you! Good luck and have fun! :)
February 8th, 2008 01:54 AM
I bought a Ruger P95 secondhand before my 21st birthday and a Springfield Mil Spec 1911 for my birthday. I stumbled onto the Ruger, but I picked out the Springfield.
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February 8th, 2008 02:15 AM
Listen to what sixto said. Starting with the 9mm in a Glock would be a wise choice. If you stay interested in guns chances are you are going to want a 9mm at some point. So you might as well start there and have affordable ammo to learn with. You can start adding other calibers later as funds become available. I suggest the Glock over the Sig. Not because it is a superior weapon but because you can get into the Glock cheaper and have a very dependable weapon to learn with plus cash for the added accessories you will need. Good luck with your choice and stay safe.
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February 8th, 2008 02:26 AM
word for word
Originally Posted by mike_1
February 8th, 2008 03:10 AM
+1 for 9mm. Also, if you start shooting and find that you really like it you might want to look into a single stage reloading press. If you're shooting 250+ rounds per month, every month the reloading equipment will pay for itself in just a few months. Plus it's a great hobby. The savings will multiply if you ever add additional calibers to your gun collection.
February 8th, 2008 03:33 AM
oh no the day is coming
I would also second the renting of different types and calibers. I was dead set on a Beretta, rented it then rented a Sig 229...sold. Now I carry a Sig 220 .45 . As far as Glocks, 90 percent of the people in my League use them and they have zero problems. Plastic or no, they are dependable as are my Sigs. Combined, my 3 Sigs have about 8,000 trouble free rounds. Good luck and enjoy your search....
February 8th, 2008 03:58 AM
Glock 19...extremely reliable; simple manual-of-arms; consistent trigger-pull; easy to conceal; high capacity; accurate; widespread availability of parts, service, and gear (holsters, sights, etc.); cheap magazines (hi-caps for around $16-17); and cheapest ammo in a defensive caliber.
and like SIXTO touched on, I am unconvinced that there is a significant enough advantage to the larger calibers (.40 & .45) to justify the added cost, greater muzzle flip, and reduced capacity.
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February 8th, 2008 09:28 AM
Like Sixto said, the Glock 19.
February 8th, 2008 09:31 AM
Originally Posted by SIXTO
I agree with everything you said Sixto. When it is a budget consideration, the 9mm is a good bet. The only thing I would add is that a good alternative to the G19 or the Sig 229 is the Springfield XD9. The XD9 will save a few bucks and is also very dependable. I have all three of these guns in my personal arsenal and each of them is a keeper.
February 8th, 2008 09:45 AM
Glock 23 was my first at the same age. But Sixto makes a valid point at 9mm. The new ammo out there is nothing to be worried about for "stopping " power. I do really like my 14 rounds of 180 gr. Gold Dots though.
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February 8th, 2008 10:10 AM
9mm, .40 isn't all that cheap either, get the bost bang for your buck.
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