Condition code for a 1911?

Condition code for a 1911?

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    Condition code for a 1911?

    Im assuming this is military terminology, but what are these conditions I hear people refer to when discussing whether or not the gun is loaded, chambered, or the safety is on.
    I think I gather that condition 1 is cocked and locked, and condition 0 is cocked and unlocked. Thats all Ive figured out so far, and those might not even be right.


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    Here ya go:

    Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.

    Condition 1 - Also known as "cocked and locked," means a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.

    Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.

    Condition 3 - The chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.

    Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, hammer is down and no magazine is in the gun.
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    As an addendum, in general, Condition One is preferred for 1911 carry. Condition Two is an accident waiting to happen. Some people carry in Condition Three, but not many, and that forces them to become familiar with the 'Israeli draw'.

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    Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.
    Just how about does one safely go about putting a 1911 in Condition 2? Pull the trigger with your thumb on the hammer? I just cannot see how this Condition would be safe or practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle5 View Post
    Just how about does one safely go about putting a 1911 in Condition 2? Pull the trigger with your thumb on the hammer? I just cannot see how this Condition would be safe or practical.
    Always do it outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle5 View Post
    Just how about does one safely go about putting a 1911 in Condition 2? Pull the trigger with your thumb on the hammer? I just cannot see how this Condition would be safe or practical.
    Very, VERY carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Very, VERY carefully.

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    Or not at all.

    There's no valid reason to carry or store a 1911 in condition 2.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle5 View Post
    Just how about does one safely go about putting a 1911 in Condition 2? Pull the trigger with your thumb on the hammer? I just cannot see how this Condition would be safe or practical.
    Don't forget to wear ear protection.

    Captain Crunch is right, there is no reason to carry one in condition 2.

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    Good question, great responses. A follow-up, then...

    While I LOVE the two 1911's I have, I'm very uncomfortable carrying in condition one. Is this silly? Should I lump it and simply get used to it?

    Something about DA triggers make me feel more comfortable as relates to regular CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scot Van View Post
    Good question, great responses. A follow-up, then...

    While I LOVE the two 1911's I have, I'm very uncomfortable carrying in condition one. Is this silly? Should I lump it and simply get used to it?

    Something about DA triggers make me feel more comfortable as relates to regular CC.
    I had this fear many, many moons ago when I first started carrying.....my first EDC was a Springer 1911. I got over it by carrying "cocked n locked" with no round chambered for a few days.
    Once I realized the safty was not slipping to "fire" and waiting to go off, I started carrying condition one and have never had an issue, weather on duty or off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Or not at all.

    There's no valid reason to carry or store a 1911 in condition 2.
    Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Condition 2 is just silly all around. In my opinion, the only time a 1911 should be in Condition 2 is if a round failed to go off when the hammer fell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    In my opinion, the only time a 1911 should be in Condition 2 is if a round failed to go off when the hammer fell.
    I fully agree. Your explanation seems to be the most logical explanation for Condition 2.

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    "Not comfortable carrying in Cond 1" --- With 3 safeties? Thumb Safety, Grip Safety and nothing to pull the trigger. Why be uncomfortable?
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    I think of it as learning to ride a bycycle. Scary at first but the more you do it the more comfortable you become. If your 1911 is in good mechanical condition it's very safe to carry CON 1. Been carrying one that way since 1978.
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