What about this.45 carry pistol?
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Hey, for those who don't know me, I am James, a new member on combatcarry, and I'd like some advice regarding two ...
October 2nd, 2005 01:45 PM
What about this.45 carry pistol?
Greetings to all:
Hey, for those who don't know me, I am James, a new member on combatcarry, and I'd like some advice regarding two carry pieces:
1. The Colt Officer's ACP -- Yes, I fell in love with this little pistol after watching HEAT a while back where Al Pacino carried a slicked-up version of it. I've heard in some localities that these downsized versions of the venerable Colt 1911 are not reliable. Is that true?
2. The Para Ordnance P-12 -- Basically similiar to the Colt Officer's ACP except it's holds some extra rounds. Of these two guns, which would you recommend for concealed carry, and what style of carry rig (Shoulder, IWB, etc) would be best to pack it with?
October 2nd, 2005 01:45 PM
October 2nd, 2005 01:51 PM
Ich bin ein Glocker, so I can't comment on those specific pistols.
I do prefer IWB for concealment. I conceal a G21 (probably at least as big as either of those you mention) in a C-Tac IWB and it works well.
Last edited by Anubis; October 4th, 2005 at 07:22 PM.
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October 2nd, 2005 02:07 PM
Hi James - welcome :)
I am not a major player with 1911's but as you'll find out many members here are. I have to admit, I tend toward full size - anything, and I carry OWB - me and IWB never have gotten on! My carry is SIG 226 ST.
As for P12 - well just happens that the one I have is for me way too unreliable - love the trigger, love the accuracy but darn it - even with Wolff spring job on mags - it just ain't good enough. Only my gun tho - I hear plenty of good as well.
Hopefully you'll get a load more input.
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October 2nd, 2005 02:19 PM
With potential reliability issues of a short barrel 1911, I just can't see the advantage of a 3" barrel over a 4". For that matter, I can't see the advantage of a 4" over a 5". They are all easy to conceal, but the 5" (or the 4" to a lesser degree) are ballistically superior, generally more accurate and more reliable....
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October 2nd, 2005 02:34 PM
October 2nd, 2005 03:22 PM
The grip is usually more difficult to conceal than the slide, so I prefer the light weight single stacks. The shorter grip of the officers, micros,and ultras are fine for small or thin hands, but I prefer the standard grip because it gives me more to wrap for a proper hold in a speed draw. The 3" reliability problems resulted from the need to slow the cycle time, and Kimbers have been very reliable. I prefer the 4" because when it's canted in an IWB holster, the 5" is less comfortable. Any of the guns you mentioned will perform well when you stick with one and practice.
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October 2nd, 2005 04:14 PM
best to handle 1 or several. I like the shorter barreled autos for easier concealment. The 5" barrel seems to stick out too much. The Para are a bit thick in the grip, but ya gotta try em for yourself.
October 2nd, 2005 04:45 PM
Unless you have unusually large hands I would stay away from the double stacks. As far as what length to get I would go with the Commander model (4 1/4") I personaly feel that model is the best balanced. The officers and micros are decent if you get a good one, they can give you nightmares if ya get a bad one.
I perfer OWB carry personaly, I carry at 5 o'clock position and use about a 20 deg cant on a high ride holster. I have been wanting to try out a shoulder holster now its getting cooler out.
October 2nd, 2005 10:16 PM
For not other reason than its a colt buy it.
I prefer a 5 inch myself
October 3rd, 2005 01:07 AM
Welcome! Like a few others, I am not a 1911 afficianado, but I do enjoy the 45ACP offerings. I picked up a Taurus PT145 (10+1 in a smaller package than a 357 snubby) and am quite content with its performance, as well as the $329 price tag...
October 3rd, 2005 01:42 AM
Welcome to the forum.
I've got a StarPD with the 3.5" barrel and a ported Springfield V10 with the same dimensions. They are a little more sensitive to limp wristing, but reliability isn't a big issue.
Both needed to have their feed ramps introduced to Mr.Dremmel to eat my 230 gr. Hydra Shoks, bit other than that, no problems that would keep me from carrrying either.
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October 3rd, 2005 11:45 AM
After just recently starting to carry a 5" 1911, I'm starting to see the potential benefits to the 4" commander. That's not to say the full size is difficult to carry - it's not. But the shorter slide would make it a bit more comfortable sitting in hard chairs.
October 3rd, 2005 04:07 PM
Para Ordnance Carry 12 LDA
I had a Para Ordnance Carry 12 LDA which is the double action version and it was my primary carry weapon for a number of years. Extremely accuate and functionally excellent.
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October 3rd, 2005 04:55 PM
Still on the .45 discussion, I recently found two very nice-looking handguns styles that are still on the 1911 frame. The new Detonics Combatmaster and the Charles Daly Field .45 in the officer's version. Anyone have any experience with these pistols?
October 3rd, 2005 05:33 PM
James, have you checked out the SA Champion Loaded? heres a pic
It is somewhere between a officers and a commander, it has a full size grip, but a 3 15/16" barrel. It has all the goodies a 1911er could want, plus it decently priced and comes in the light weight version. I have held and fondled this champion many times tring to decide which mid size 1911 to get next.
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