Novice Has a Question About Single-Action Triggers & EMP

Novice Has a Question About Single-Action Triggers & EMP

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    Novice Has a Question About Single-Action Triggers & EMP

    I realize that the Springfield EMP is a single-action 1911 frame, correct? If I am right about this, is there an alternative firearm to the EMP that would be a double-action trigger?

    And also, is there a DA 1911 in existence or is the 1911 a SA-only frame?


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    I believe Para made a few models in DA. There was a DA trigger designed to be installed into any 1911, but it has been decades since I have seen one.

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    Heres a good alternative

    ... Para USA, High-Quality Handguns: Products

    1911 Platform, 9mm cartridge, LDA trigger. You can find alot of info about this pistol if you search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydmhonda View Post
    Heres a good alternative

    ... Para USA, High-Quality Handguns: Products

    1911 Platform, 9mm cartridge, LDA trigger. You can find alot of info about this pistol if you search.
    I don't want to confuse the OP, but everyone realizes that the LDA is not a double action pistol, right? It has a 2 stage, single action trigger that releases a locked and cocked internal striker. It simulates a double action trigger to give a warm fuzzy feeling to those that can't get past their discomfort with a locked and cocked 1911.

    Note, I'm not denegrating the gun. I think it fills a niche very well and there are a lot of people that really like the action and I agree, that it might be exactly what McPatrickClan is looking for.

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    Fair point, David. That is my basic problem. I have only owned Springfield Armory XDs with the grip safety & DA trigger but have decided to save up for a really nice gun. Well, all the really nice guns are 1911s (it seems like) and are SA. I guess it just makes me a bit uncomfortable to wear a light SA trigger.

    However, upon further consideration, I wonder if the grip safety on the Springfield EMP helps mitigate a substantial amount of single-action trigger risk...

    Thoughts?

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    Dont' forget that 1911's have a grip safety & a manual safety (below).


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    All 1911's are SA.

    It is not uncommon to be uncomfortable with a cocked and locked firearm. However, what you consider "SA trigger risk" is actually one of the main characteristics that makes a 1911 so desireable... the light, crisp trigger.

    The manual thumb safety and grip safety both aid in preventing a negligent discharge. Of course, as with all firearms, keeping your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot is the best way to avoid an ND.

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    i always figured a cocked and locked and safed SA pistol was safer then a DA with no manual saftey.
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    Ok to add some info to my post above - Larry Seecamp (yes THAT Seecamp) did make and marked a DA conversion for 1911s. Later sold that product line to Omega, later transferred to Essex.

    However, finding one of those is a one in a million shot.

    Colt made a "Double Eagle" in the 1980s, very similar to the 1911 (uses a 1911 top end maybe) and it is a double action pistol.

    Seecamp's conversion pictured below:




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    I have a Para-Ord, Carry 9. 1911 platform, 3" barrell, grip safety, thumb safety, and what Para calls a LDA (light double action trigger) It is not a "true" double action, but it must move a fairly long distance before the gun will fire. It does NOT feel like a double action revolver. It IS a VERY light trigger pull.
    Tell you what, I'll make you a deal, you purchase the EMP and if you don't like it, I'll trade you my carry 9 for it straight across!!

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    Electra- thanks for the offer!

    I guess I feel better about it now. I must confess, shooting my buddy's custom 1911 was a whole different experience than my XD40 with the DA trigger.

    Do the EMPs come w/light triggers?

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    The hammer won't drop unless the manual safety is disengaged AND the trigger AND the grip safety are depressed. That's 3 conditions that must be satisfied for the gun to fire.

    The 1911 system cocked and locked seems to me to be safer than anything else that's available. Am I missing something here?

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    Well, I guess with the DA XDs, you have to engage the grip safety & pull the trigger. That's 2 conditions. So you may just be on to something, Distant.

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    However, in fairness, no one walks around with the safety on their 1911 so I guess that one is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McPatrickClan View Post
    I have only owned Springfield Armory XDs with the grip safety & DA trigger but have decided to save up for a really nice gun.
    Sorry to nitpick, but the XD triggers are as single action as it gets.
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