Any Way To Talk Me Out Of A P-3AT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billfromtx View Post
    I really like the Bersa CC 380 much better....if I was going to carry a 380 as my CCW (which i wouldn't) it would be the Bersa ...but I do own a few.
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    While it is a little big for the pocket, it can be done. I absolutely love my Bersa 380CC; it's one of my favorite guns. In fact I have mine all cleaned and lubed up for a range trip this weekend. That little gun is a real tack driver!
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    I could be talked out of buying one and quite easily.

    A week ago, my wife and I went to the range so she could try out my friend's...it repeatedly failed by not extracting, not matter who shot it. According to him it had been reliable before then, and with the same ammo.

    Just looking at the KelTec I see junk, and it's reliability echos that sentiment.
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    I would already own a lightweight snub if it didn't have a Hillary-hole. When S&W stops pandering to anti-gunners I'll consider buying one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Air,Land&Sea View Post
    I would already own a lightweight snub if it didn't have a Hillary-hole.

    One of mine has a Hillary hole, but it isnt so bad... it doesnt ramble on and on about socialist ideas, its rather quite.
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    Yeh, but it's still a filthy ****.
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    I don't particularly want to talk you out of it. but I would suggest that you wait a month or two.

    According to a usually reliable source at KTOG.org, Kel Tec is doing a design revamp on the trigger systems of the P-32, P-3AT, and Pf-9. The length and weight of the trigger pull remain the same, but with the change you will no longer partially drop the hammer if you short stroke the trigger ( the false reset) , making it necessary to work the slide a quarter inch to recock it before you can shoot. In redesign, you short stroke it, nothing happens; you release the trigger , it fully resets , and then you pull the trigger to get a boom. That's a feature for a self defense gun which is worth waiting a month or so. May have a hold open like the ruger 380 as well. Look somewhere after serial number JRWxx.

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    I'd buy some ammo and wait until they get the kinks worked out of the Ruger LCP and get one of those. Fit and finish is much nicer than the Kel-Tec in my opinion.

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    I just picked one up used for $225. I should have talked them down to $200, but I was in a hurry and forgot to wheel and deal lol. Anyway, I cleaned and lubed it (it is used) and loaded it with SXTs. I will test it during my next range trip.

    If it works, it is a great little tiny pocket gun. I have it in my front pocket right now and holy cow I can't even tell its there. What a great little idea.

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    I have one on me as I write....She has never malfunctioned on me

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    Both KelTec and Ruger will make things right if a customer has a problem. I looked both guns over and decided on the LCP because is satisfied me more aesthetically. Either, if they work, are a nice way to go if you can't carry something bigger and can't afford anything more expensive.

    My LCP is very satisfying to me in every way. I think Ruger found the pot of gold aesthetically here (hence the mad rush for these things) and my unit has gone bang every time so far. I couldn't ask for more in an inexpensive pocket weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air,Land&Sea View Post
    Tomorrow's "Buy A Gun Friday" and I was thinking about a P-3AT plus a few boxes of DPX's and Golden Sabers. Any reason not to?
    Thanks.
    Go for it man!I love mine and have never had an issue with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTex View Post
    However, it seems that many people who carry these things do so because they're too lazy or too concerned with comfort to carry a better weapon.
    I like the idea of a gun with a reasonable caliber (opinions vary, but I consider .380 a reasonable caliber) that I can tuck unobtrusively in a pants pocket, or strapped to an ankle.

    And since I can't afford to have a different gun for every situation, I settled on the Ruger LCP as my always carry gun (once I get licensed, that is).

    (Though the Taurus "the Judge" looks like a really cool defensive weapon.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    Go for it man!I love mine and have never had an issue with it.
    I like mine as well...very easy to carry as I carry mine in my coat or leather vest. Had a few hiccups at the beginning (limp wristing and fluff/buff), but works last 400 rounds like a champ. Is it the quintessential defensive weapon/knock them over...no...but no doubt will put the hurt on...

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    A "real gun?"

    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTex View Post
    I agree that there are times that some people may have a hard time carrying a real pistol (for example: UC cops, people in non-permissive environments, etc.).
    However, it seems that many people who carry these things do so because they're too lazy or too concerned with comfort to carry a better weapon. Yeah, it may be a little uncomfortable to carry a real gun when it's 100-degrees and you may have to alter your wardrobe slightly (shouldn't be a big deal if you're not required to dress a certain way), but to me it's worth it.
    I've got a 2" .38 that I hardly ever carry (except as a BUG) because I am willing to put up with a little less comfort to carry a gun that's a whole lot better (glock 19 or 17).
    What's a 'real gun?'


    If I can carry the Sig, I carry the Sig, but it's very easy to envision a situation in which it's NOT PRACTICAL because it will not conceal well with certain wardrobes.

    I find myself only carrying a compact or full size duty weapon only if I can have my shirt untuckered with an IWB holster, if tuckered there is always the ankle holster but that makes for a slower draw. This is where true pocket sized pistol comes into play, and anyone not considering a pocket pistol to be a 'real gun' has a much different opinion from a potential attacker... you think they would care if either a pocket sized pistol or a duty sized gun was aimed at them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I like mine as well...very easy to carry as I carry mine in my coat or leather vest. Had a few hiccups at the beginning (limp wristing and fluff/buff), but works last 400 rounds like a champ. Is it the quintessential defensive weapon/knock them over...no...but no doubt will put the hurt on...

    Rick
    Even a caliber smaller than the .380 will do more than "hurt." It's a shame people make smaller guns, or smaller calibers sound like toys... all of them have the potential to turn someone into a corpse.

    If you watch video of people being hit during robberies etc, you will actually notice EVEN large calibers like the .45ACP and .40S&W, when perps get hit even in the chest, they have the ability to run, fight, return fire etc... there is no "magic bullet" (unless you count Hollywood.)

    There was a case where a cop shot a big guy with 6 rounds from his .357Mag, and the perp only had a .22LR, guess which one died and which one lived? The cop even had on body armer but the .22 round hit him under the arm pit when he was struggling with the BG, and this little .22 round hit a major blood vessel, the cop never had a chance to live and died soon after. The BG on the other had, survived ALL rounds from the .357mag because they did not hit vital organs... where a bullet actually passes through is more important that what calliber it is and all of them are very lethal.

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