This is a discussion on New Springfield EMP questions? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; $929??? I bet the dealer made only marked up about 10%. You got a deal!...
I bet the dealer made only marked up about 10%. You got a deal!
I do own the EMP 9 mm (the .40 cal has just showed up at the dealers)
Much has already been said with the "Cock and Carry" Start out slow with this issue.. around the house empty.. and then on to the next step. Once you feel comfortable after about 200 draws from your holster. You will most likely be ready for the "Condition One" In regards to the 1911 style weapons one must use the same method "ALWAYS" -when releasing the safety. By this I mean it must be at the same time everytime when drawing this weapon. It must come without thinking on both delivery and when returning to the holster. Otherwise if you release it one time at the holster and the next time when you are ready to actually fire the weapon.. This is no good during a stressfull shootout!! Believe me all these actions must be " in the memory and natural" no time to think! This also makes this weapon safe for you and others. These type weapons have a "sliding type trigger pull" as oposed to a "swing down type trigger pull on a non 1911 weapon. The sliding type pull is a more natural move for the human finger. Not to mention about 3 lbs. less trigger pull and 1/2 the distance.
No inventions here on my part just worth a second go-a-round. on an old subject.
I forgot to mention... Gold Dot has a fairly new type ammo.. "Short Barrel 9 mm +P) This gun is perfect for this type ammo as its barrel length of 3". Most if not all ammo's specs are geared for 4 or 5" weapons. On this short of barrel length there is never a complete powder burn. So Speer has changed the hollowpoint and the powder and (I am told) the primer to get a complete burn and fully open the hollow point. Not to mention the "total bonded type bullet. Yes, this is a +P but it is for personal carry only.. not range ammo (except to see if your weapon will handle)
Take a look at the Speer Gold Dot Site... or even call customer service for their full version and reason for making this first class ammo.
Ok..Went to the range today and shoot off about 200 rounds.Some Winchester white box,some Remingtons and 2 mags of Golden Sabers.....the only thing I have to say is that the slide failed to lock back 3 times when the last round was fired,and that was at the beginning.After that PERFECT! She was awesome! I love this gun. It is definately more accurate than I am.It was a change from being used to my G27...I was getting better as I went along....Hopefully I can get back next weekend and fire off some more rounds. I have had a great first experience with it and am very happy so far.
Exactly zero, just like in the thread you referenced.
The issue with the RIA mentioned above has nothing to do with the thumb safety, the supposition in this case is that the firing pin itself moved enough to strike the round, the thumb safety has nothing to do with the travel of the firing pin, only the travel of the sear.
I've dropped my 1911s with and without firing pin safeties / changed out springs and pins and never had an issue, I'm not saying it's not possible to occur as the above thread obviously shows it can happen to an unchanged model with no changes regarding "drop fires".
Either way, in my opinion dropping an EMP, or any other Springfield of current manufacture is a non-issue.
If anyone wants to donate one (EMP) for drop testing, I would be more than willing to do it in a controlled setting - then I will test carrying it for a few years just to make sure everthing functions fine.
12125 thru 12133 Handgun Safety testing - Dangerous Weapons Control Laws - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General
12128. As used in this chapter, the "drop safety requirement for handguns" means that at the conclusion of the firing requirements for handguns described in Section 12127, the same certified independent testing laboratory shall subject the same three handguns of the make and model for which certification is sought, to the following test: A primed case (no powder or projectile) shall be inserted into the chamber. For pistols, the slide shall be released, allowing it to move forward under the impetus of the recoil spring, and an empty magazine shall be inserted. For both pistols and revolvers, the weapon shall be placed in a drop fixture capable of dropping the pistol from a drop height of 1m + 1cm (39.4 + 0.4 in.) onto the largest side of a slab of solid concrete having minimum dimensions of 7.5 X 15 X 15 cm (3 X 6 X 6 in.). The drop distance shall be measured from the lowermost portion of the weapon to the top surface of the slab. The weapon shall be dropped from a fixture and not from the hand. The weapon shall be dropped in the condition that it would be in if it were dropped from a hand (cocked with no manual safety applied). If the design of a pistol is such that upon leaving the hand a "safety" is automatically applied by the pistol, this feature shall not be defeated. An approved drop fixture is a short piece of string with the weapon attached at one end and the other end held in an air vise until the drop is initiated. The following six drops shall be performed: (a) Normal firing position with barrel horizontal. (b) Upside down with barrel horizontal. (c) On grip with barrel vertical. (d) On muzzle with barrel vertical. (e) On either side with barrel horizontal. (f) If there is an exposed hammer or striker, on the rearmost point of that device, otherwise on the rearmost point of the weapon. The primer shall be examined for indentations after each drop. If indentations are present, a fresh primed case shall be used for the next drop. The handgun shall pass this test if each of the three test guns does not fire the primer.
Nice try though, can't say I blame you, a free EMP would be a sweet deal.
Well now the gig is up - oh well, worth a shot!
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Phil (NRA Member and Vietnam Vet)
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I do have a 1911 and carry one chambered. I can still squeeze the trigger and make it go bang with out having it cocked. I am by no means a 1911 expert, so I do not know if all 1911s are DA if not cocked. I see this no different than carrying a revolver that is not "cocked". I would not wrong anyone carrying cocked and locked - just not my cup of tea. It comes down to speed - is it faster just taking the safety off then pulling the trigger - or just pulling the trigger?
Rather than relive the endless, pointless, tiresome debate over which type of trigger is better, lets just get back to the topic shall we gents?