S&W releasing new "no lock" 642

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    Thumbs up S&W releasing new "no lock" 642

    This could be a good thing...

    Anyone else hear about S&W releasing a limited run of 4,000 brand new 642-2s without the internal lock to dealers in the United States?

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    Now I really do not want to sound stupid but I have not owned or shot a revolver in over 30 years and could someone please explain what an internal lock system is and how it works. I am planning on getting a little j-frame and would like to know something about this before I go to the gun store. are thier advantages or disadvantages to this...please someone explain this....thanks
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    semperfi.45,

    They'll still be using the MIM parts on those though

    Though no lock on em, they won't be the same gun of yesteryear unfortunately.

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    S+W started putting an internal locking system on their revos quite some time ago. A small round key fits into the lock just above the cylinder latch. In their corporate eyes, it was a politically correct move for S+W. The liberals of Mass decided [ more specifically the AG ] and passed a law that certain requirements would be met for any pistol to be sold in that state.

    S+W complied to stay in business, many stopped supporting them by not purchasing S+W products any longer. It' hasn't hurt the company much though, so corporate certainly thinks they've made the right decision to buckle to the antis whims.

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    It's called a "Hillary Hole".
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    It's called a "Hillary Hole"

    In this case, she's not responsible for S+W's decision to throw the locking systems on all their firearms except the model 40 [ that doesn't have the lock because it has the grip safety which met the requirements of the AG in Mass ].

    Most think the company buckled to pressure from the national side and it was only their fear of not selling guns in their home state that forced them to comply with the new Mass regs.

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    now does this so called hillary hole stop the weapon from firing ar the cylinder from being open to load weapon.
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    It prevents the hammer from being pulled and fired.

    There are cases reported where the gun locked up while firing, many don't trust the lock S+W and won't carry them. I'm included in that group of users

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    Brownie, I am among the large group of people that don't trust the "Hillary Hole" and have had a S&W Revolver with a lock malfunction on me.

    This is a step in the right direction though for S&W, IMHO.

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    I got a S&W J-Frame with lock. I never used it (other then out of curiosity to see what it does when I got it first). Its not exactly practical as its small and tedious. Something you will not be able to operate under stress and even under best circumstances it has the needle/thread feeling. But so far, it hasn't caused any problems. I just leave it unlocked.
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    Whether Hillary was responsible for it or not, you have to like the name for that stupid lock.

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    I have 1 S&W that has the Hillary hole. To me it's a useless bit of gadgetry that hasn't given me any problems but which certainly serves no purpose. I haven't firmly ruled out S&Ws with the internal lock but if I were in the market for another S&W right now I'd first try to find a pre-lock model.

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    Here's hoping they sell out as fast as they can produce them. Perhaps S&W will get the point, and start offering the lock as optional on all of their guns. (Bet they don't get many requests for that particular option!)
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    BikerRN,

    Thats just more fuel to the fire on these lock Smiths. Sorry to hear about another one who's had problems.

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    Unfortunately, other companies followed suit with S&W and started installing the infernal...ahem, I mean internal...locks. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't own any revolvers with mechanical locks. My lock is between my ears.
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    If this is true, its about damn time.

    Guess those of us refusing to buy S&W products made some impact.

    If they indeed make it, I'll buy one. Regards 18DAI.

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