Well, he asked for my opinion. Ever been there?
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December 10th, 2005 09:38 PM
December 10th, 2005 09:40 PM
Worrying about what other people think doesn't forward your pursuit of pragmatic self-defense.
December 10th, 2005 09:59 PM
December 10th, 2005 10:16 PM
The thing I find funniest about this is that old Tauri have a horrendous reputation on the used market, even worse than the Hi-Points.
Originally Posted by Lawrence Keeney
CZ-52 isn't a gun I'd recommend to anyone other than a range toy or as a collector. Firing pin problems, decockers that discharge rounds, ball ammo only, and exotic ammo requirements.
At our local shop, they had both model 10 smith police turn ins and CZ-152 pistols WITH AMMO for less than 150 bucks. Either pistola would be a good choice for a martialist on a tight budget.
And if they have M10 Smiths with ammo under $150, give me their number. I can sell them out here for $225 all day long.
Again, I have to laugh - when someone puts a Kel-tec as somehow "better" in quality than a Hi-Point in real terms.
He could probably find a Kel Tec 9mm pistol for about 175 bucks used, and it would make a decent CCW gun.
Both are budget guns. Both have their issues. Both will do. Neither is pretty or without scads of detractors.
But again, there's a world of difference for someone who needs a gun now and only has a hundred bucks and when the only other options are 50% above their 'need it now' budget.'
That's the thing people seem to forget. For some folks, $100 is all they have, literally. $50 is a gulf that may take them some time to overcome for whatever reason.
Driver carries less than $45 worth of remorse.
December 12th, 2005 11:37 PM
Actually, I just went through much the same thing with my father. He has only ever owned a .22 H&R Sportsman 999 as far as pistols go. He was interested in a pistol for defense and asked my opinion. His criteria were as follows: Semi-auto, .45acp, a legal barrel length for hunting (>4"), and affordable. A notorious cheapskate, he considered $200 to be unreasonable for any pistol.
I tried for the longest to get him to relax on one of his requirements. He wouldn't budge. I even considered giving him my SA GI.
Then he calls me up one day and asks about a Hi-Point. I was kinda dumbfounded since it was not a brand I'd ever considered. I could tell he was fairly excited. He kept going on over the price, the warranty, and the looks of the gun.
I thought for a second about talking him out of it but I remembered that the gunstore owner where I do most of my business had said good things about them. So I encouraged him to look into them.
He started looking around for a dealer and come to find out, the plain .45 version is kinda difficult to find around his parts as they get snapped up pretty quick. He finally went to Food Giant (a local grocery store!) to find one.
When I last went home, he and I took it out to shoot. Now, it'd been a good long while since I'd been able to practice with any regularity. I moved across the state not too long ago, just graduated, and started my first professional, full-time job. So I know I'm gonna be rusty. But I'll be danged if he didn't outshoot me and did a darned good job, too. We shot from about 20 feet at some soda cans. I hit maybe 50% and shot around them the rest. He hit about 75% and was keeping all the shots to within about 1.5" of the cans.
I was really expecting a lot less out of the pistol. I'd heard the things like "it has a crappy trigger", "the spring's too heavy to easily pull the slide back", etc. I thought that apart from the weight, it was a decent enough gun, especially for $150. I honestly was surprised at just how good the trigger was. My Charles Daly 1911 lemon had a substancially worse trigger. And the thing ran through 100 rounds with absolutely no hiccups. That's not something I can say about all of the handguns I've owned or even the majority.
In short, I had worried that my dad was cheating himself out of a good thing by going the cheap route, yet again. But I think he ended up doing just fine.
December 13th, 2005 12:44 AM
Barrett - good to hear a plus side - because this gun does have very mixed receptions as we know.
It still would not be my choice but if I had to go that route - seems like I could still feel I had a chance of a defence weapon.
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December 13th, 2005 07:59 PM
Give him a tad bit more advice....tell him to field strip it often to clean it.
Originally Posted by Euclidean
He might have a few feed problems after that and then you could tell him I TOLD YOU SO!
Seek safety at the heart of danger.
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December 13th, 2005 08:47 PM
Lately I have been buying firearms that is known for having good customer service and warranty, along with having a good reputation.
You don't need to spend big bucks either. H&R, Marlin, are nice examples if your looking for a rifle. Defencive weapons are abit more important. I will live if my rifle messes up when hunting. Someday I would love to own a Wilson 1911, right now S A is everything I need.
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